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"Every Body Loves Hugo", 9/10

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Okay, this was a very good episode. What I liked about it was it was in a way much like "Happily Ever After", the difference being things actually happen. The similarity is it achieved everything Happily Ever After tried to do by actually showing characters go through something, rather than just having characters talking about going through something. It won't be considered a classic like Happily Ever After seems to be, yet it is arguably a better episode.


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- The opening of the episode was pretty cool as it is completely different from anything shown to us so far. What's odd is how cold Hurley's mother acts about it. I know she wants to see her son settle down, but damn, Hurley is actually doing noble things with his life. Cut the guy a break.

- We see the return of Michael. Michael looked pretty haggard in this episode. Has the actor lost weight? Anyway, while it's good to see him back I wished there had been some mention about Walt. Like he could have had Hurley tell Walt he loved him or something like that.

- Shocking moment Number 1, the death of Illana. Holy shit was that unexpected. And violent. And, perhaps in retrospect, disappointing. She really didn't do much as a character, did she? Although I suppose she can still communicate to Hurley.

- We see the return of Libby. I thought it was pretty cool how they brought her back. And what I liked about her interactions with Hurley is that we can actually see the two build a connection. If Happily Ever After was all about love, this episode was showing it actually happen. Cynthia Watros also impressed me in this episode.

- Zombie Sayid kind of creeps me out. Great acting by Andrews, as he seems like he really isn't there. Physically he is, but mentally? He's long since checked out.

- Hurley's bluff was a cool scene, although Miles kind of showed his true colours. He should have stuck with Hurley

- Shocking moment Number 2, Desmond fetches some water from a well the hard way. Okay, so I'm pretty sure he's still alive. Still, who was expecting that? Even when the episode was leading up to it?

- We finally learn what the whispers are all about. I found this was the one weak note of the episode because it all sounded like it written for the fans. It could have been written with more subtlety

- Shocking moment Number 3, Desmond introduces Locke to the front of his car. Kind of funny how Desmond is painted to be a predator by Ben. Desmond could have just said he was looking for his "friend" John. I'm guessing that Locke will be taken to the hospital where he will meet Jack for a second time. The same hospital that Charley was in. The same hospital that Jin and Sun will no doubt find themselves in.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:48 pm 
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Awesome episode. I was really shocked with the Desmond hit-and-run. And I LOVED how they filmed it. That's a Behind the Scenes worth watching.

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1-Cinthia Watros still looks like a Junkie
2-Wasn't Harrold whateverhisnameis angry with the producers of the show? I remember reading something about it. It was because the way they handled his character or black characters or something.

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t3cii wrote:
It won't be considered a classic like Happily Ever After seems to be, yet it is arguably a better episode.


*Pats t3cii in the head, tells him everything is going to be okay*

Still, it was an awesome episode.

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The opening of the episode was pretty cool as it is completely different from anything shown to us so far. What's odd is how cold Hurley's mother acts about it. I know she wants to see her son settle down, but damn, Hurley is actually doing noble things with his life. Cut the guy a break.


Well, her mother has always been kind of a @#%&, so nothing new there :lol:, but the opening was really good, it was more of a statement about Hurley and his character, because really, who doesn't love Hurley ?

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We see the return of Michael.


Shouldn't you be complaining about this :lol: ?

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Shocking moment Number 1, the death of Illana. Holy shit was that unexpected. And violent. And, perhaps in retrospect, disappointing. She really didn't do much as a character, did she? Although I suppose she can still communicate to Hurley


I literally had to pause to actually digest the scene, it was probably THE most unexpected moment of all the show. Still, I think that her death, along with Lennon and Dogen's, was more of a message that everything is coming together, as such, people are going to die more often, and more brutally :lol:

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We see the return of Libby.


You should be mad about this too :lol: !

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Zombie Sayid kind of creeps me out. Great acting by Andrews, as he seems like he really isn't there. Physically he is, but mentally? He's long since checked out.


Most likely, but we still have to see, I saw a little rebellion from Sayid's part when he told smokey that he didn't kill the remaining scientist.

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Hurley's bluff was a cool scene, although Miles kind of showed his true colours. He should have stuck with Hurley


EVERYONE should have stuck with Hurley, but seriously, who would YOU have stuck with ?

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Shocking moment Number 2, Desmond fetches some water from a well the hard way. Okay, so I'm pretty sure he's still alive. Still, who was expecting that? Even when the episode was leading up to it?


Actually, I am wondering if smokey did threw him down to kill him.

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*Pats t3cii in the head, tells him everything is going to be okay*


:|

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t3cii wrote:
We see the return of Michael.


Shouldn't you be complaining about this :lol: ?


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t3cii wrote:
We see the return of Libby.


You should be mad about this too :lol: !


I'm not mad if the characters play an important part in the story. Michael isn't some bizarro version of himself where he's the bus driver at Locke's school or something like that. And he's what I consider to be a main character, not a supporting character like Minkowski. Ditto Libby. She is more of less the island version of herself. As long as these cameos amount to something and aren't just an excuse to bring back these actors for a curtain call, I don't mind. I won't spoil anything, but in a few episodes another familiar face is set to make a cameo. From things I've read this could be very corny or really cool.

One character I certainly wouldn't mind seeing again is Christian. He's played a role in almost every season. Since his body is still missing I'll assume he does play at important role. But I haven't seen the actor listed in any future episodes.

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Most likely, but we still have to see, I saw a little rebellion from Sayid's part when he told smokey that he didn't kill the remaining scientist.


I wonder about that. Is it rebellion or indifference? FLocke seemed annoyed by it, yet Sayid continues to work for him. In next weeks preview we Sayid walking towards the well with a gun in his hand.

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EVERYONE should have stuck with Hurley, but seriously, who would YOU have stuck with ?


....Hurley? :?

I think I would have stuck with Hurley if only because Jack and co did. And the fact that Illana (and Arzt in season 1) were blown up with dynamite would make me less eager to play around with explosives. But here's the thing. Should they have gone with Hurley? Ben, Miles and Richard are the ones that weren't on the Oceanic flight. Frank was originally supposed to fly the plane. So FLocke now has most of the candidates save Jin who is on Hydra island.

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So, the hiatus, when is it?

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So, the hiatus, when is it?


The hiatus starts now. Next episode is early May, I think.


"The Last Recruit", 6.5/10

This is going to be a bit of a rant. If some of you were annoyed with my "Happily Ever After" review, you might as well skip this entire post. It's funny, but this episode made me appreciate the former episode, and now I don't think Happily Ever After is all that bad. Because this episode was really, really bad. What makes me go nuts is seeing people on other message boards who liked the episode.


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- A lot happened in this episode. Normally this would be cause for celebration, except in this case because too much happened. It felt like three episodes worth of material were crammed into tonights episode. Everything felt abrupt, with scenes being given almost no breathing room.

- So we're given a cool scene involving Jack talking with FLocke. Apparently FLocke visited Jack as his father so that Jack could find....water. Huh. Okay, that's kind of lame. So FLocke was just trying to help. How considerate.

- Claire: Hey Jack! I'm your sister! Crazy, huh? I know this is really abrupt and totally lacking in any emotional weight but I just thought I would get that out of the way. By the way, you belong to Locke now.

- We get an oddly edited scene where Sawyer fills in Hurley on what's happened so far. It's oddly edited as they just jump right into the scene and it's an abrupt shift. We see Sun and Kate talk together in the back ground. Wouldn't it be cool to see these two reunited since they haven't seen each other? Yeah, that would have been cool.....Although I guess they didn't want to have to explain how Sun isn't able to speak English. Still, she can write!

- So Zombie Sayid talks with Desmond. Right away. That well must have been conveniently located within camps reach. Desmond is still alive. And in very little pain despite being thrown down a well. Sayid will later tell FLocke he killed Desmond, but this is likely bullshit.

- After a corny scene involving Alt Saywer and Kate, we get an equally corny scene of Sayid being arrested. Sayid makes a daring get away and is stopped by....a garden hose? Seriously, Lost, what the fuck?!

- Desmond continue to come off super creepy when talking to his Alt buddies.

- We see the return of Illana who just so happens to be a friend of Desmonds. Normally I find these cutesy coincidences annoying but I'll give this one a pass for one reason: Illana cleans up good. Real good. The highlight of the episode for me.

- I continue to hope for someone to just kill Zoe already. Lost is usually good at introducing new characters. This is not one of those times.

- As predicted most everyone ends up at Jack's hospital. Including his son. After Jack learns Claire is his sister (something which wasn't really given enough time devoted to it) he is seen at the hospital having a laugh with his son. After just finding out that Claire is his half sister. After just finding out that his dad was a bit of a cheat. Remember how emotionally devastated he looked when he found out about it back in season 4?

- As Sawyer and the gang set for sea on Desmond's boat (which I forgot still existed) we get some awkward camera angles of the characters on the boat. Jack has a change of heart. I know he's become a man of faith but I don't like how he has completely given himself over to it. To the point where he is ridiculously jumping off of the boat. I hated everything about this scene.

- By far the worst moment of the night, the one moment that is just inexcusable in my mind, was the reunion between Sun and Jin. Because there was no build up to it. Because some of the characters who were there took away from the scene. And because, right after it our heroes are ambushed. They have been building this scene up for so long that it felt very anticlimactic when it happened. It makes me wonder why the two weren't reunited much sooner? Which leads me to the biggest problem of the episode:

- The episode was a multi centric. And because of that it was all over the place. Somehow "LA X" managed to make an exciting episode despite having no main focus on an individual character. But the storytelling was really hurt by it in this episode. I think most if these scenes would have played better had there been a more focused story for each of them. I really hope this isn't going to be what the final episodes are going to be like.

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^ No LOST episode is a 6.5/10, considering how TV is really bad these days.

But I will agree that it was a dissapointing episode compared to "Happily Ever After" or "Everybody Loves Hugo".

Like you said, most of the scenes amounted to nothing and some of those felt like echo, for example, Sawyer telling Jack he is crazy, Kate trying to convince Claire of not doing something stupid, etc.

The one scene I did really like was the dialogue between Desmond and Sayid, I am VERY interested in this whole mistery about "the sickness", and I thought this was done really well.

As for the most important "discovery" on this episode:

Christian was smokey all this time...

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... I'm gonna call bullshit on that one, Christian DID appear to Michael in The Kahana, and I thought the scene "where Sawyer asks smokey if he simply can't get out in his black smoke form through the water" had a bid red flare for the audience to notice.

Maybe IT IS true and smokey was impersonating Christian, it is a very plausible theory after all.

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For once, I agree with t3cii.


And I'm not sure if that's a good thing :lol:

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You know feliciano, when I saw that you responded I was fully prepared for you telling me off about being so negative. :) I'm glad to see you on my side. I don't know how anyone could see past the episodes flaws.

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^ No LOST episode is a 6.5/10, considering how TV is really bad these days.


I wasn't originally going to give it such a low score but the Sun and Jin reunion was the last straw. We've seen reunions on this show many times before, and all of them had more warmth and emotion than this reunion between the two. Why were they even separated for so long? It would have been more satisfying had they been reunited at the end of The Package, and the writers dropped the dumb idea of having Jin being taken by Widmore.

The more I think about the episode, the more problems I realize were in it. Such as:

- Ben asks Locke his name in the ambulance. Why does he do this? Locke told him his first name when the two first met at school. Ben made him tea. Presumably the two got to know one another over their lunch break. And Locke even was responsible for planting the idea that Ben should be principle into his head. Yet Ben doesn't know his first name? Then the EMT has to be told that Locke is a paraplegic, despite knowing that he was in a wheelchair. This is just dumb writing.

- The time line of the sideways scenes appears to be off. Sun and Jin meet Keamy the day after their flight. And Sun was shot by accident the same day. Yet Locke had been working at the school for at least two days, and it would have been at least 3 or 4 after he came back from the flight. Likewise, Sawyer went on a stake out, a date, then to Charlotte's to apologize. This would have been at least 3 days as well. If the goal was to get everyone into the same location, it seems the writers are doing it the hard way. Especially when Kate and Claire were at the hospital at one point, as well as Sayid, Charlie and Desmond. Sawyer and Miles could have gone to the hospital to interview Jin after the shooting. Now all of these characters are no longer at the hospital.

- This was a funny nit pick I read but what kid refers to his grandfather as "your dad"?

- The show has always played fast and loose when it came to the island's geography. But the characters all seem to take no time in reaching their destinations.

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Christian was smokey all this time...

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... I'm gonna call bullshit on that one, Christian DID appear to Michael in The Kahana, and I thought the scene "where Sawyer asks smokey if he simply can't get out in his black smoke form through the water" had a bid red flare for the audience to notice.


Another problem is that this is something fans have long suspected. Yet the writers had to wait this long to confirm it.

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For once, I agree with t3cii.


And I'm not sure if that's a good thing :lol:



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Yeah, but you can always bring people back from the dark side. I mean, Anakin...

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"The Candidate", 9/10

I really wasn't looking forward to this one that much, simply because I thought the previous episode was so poorly done. By the end of the first half hour a lot happens, but little in the way of major drama. I was afraid this would be another "getting pieces into position" episode, but the episode went into high gear in the last 10 minutes. Some random thoughts:


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- We get a Jack centric episode tonight. After last episodes multi centric I think this episode proves that the show benefits more when the story has a singular focus.

- No "previously on Lost" tonight. I suppose by now we don't need them.

- So Bernard was Locke's dentist. I normally find these connections to be corny, but I think I'll let it slide. It seems more and more likely that the flash sideways will end up being the final reality.

- I had mixed reactions seeing Anthony Cooper. While he was always a bastard, according to Locke he was a loving father. I'm glad we found out the reason this version of Locke was in a wheelchair.

- FLocke gets knocked into the water. How does this affect his "I can't cross water" comment? I'm guessing that was just bullshitl.

- There was a lot of death in this episode. But I'm not sure how to feel about it. Sun and Jin's death was touching (although, why didn't Sun tell him to take care of their daughter? That would have convinced him to leave), but since we have the flashsideways, and since we can still see them again, I think the scene is sort of robbed of its impact. Ditto Sayid and Frank.

- "THERE IS NO SAYID!!". Worst. Line. Ever.

- Starting to wonder where Richard and the guys are.

- The submarine fx were better than usual.

Only three more episodes to go. But I've just read that the season finale will get an extra half hour! That means a 2.5 hour long finale!

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Wow. Just... wow.
9/10

- Although, to be honest, leaving their daughter just like that is... weird.
- Poor Frank, I really liked that he was a guy who got dragged in the middle of this and he had nothing to do with the main story.
- YES FINALLY KATE GOT A BULLET FOR BEING A BITCH (ok, not for that, but whatever).

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RIP Frank Lapidus. Goodnight sweet prince.

MIB getting knocked into the water was a big clue, I think. After he got out, he proceeded to whip out a handgun and start capping dudes. Why do that when you're a freaking smoke monster? Does water temporarily disable his powers? Is the ultimate way to defeat MIB...submerging the island underwater?

Also, back in Everybody Loves Hugo, Richard grabbed Ben and Miles and said they were going to get grenades at the DHARMA barracks with which to destroy the Ajira plane. That's where they are.

In other news, the series finale is two and a half hours long.

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"The Candidate" 9/10

I almost cried, this episode reminded me once again why I love LOST, it is deffinitely, and without a doubt, one of the best.

t3cii wrote:
We get a Jack centric episode tonight. After last episodes multi centric I think this episode proves that the show benefits more when the story has a singular focus.


No t3cii, again, "Happily Ever After" was not a bad episode, it was quite the contrary ;)

t3cii wrote:
It seems more and more likely that the flash sideways will end up being the final reality.


What makes you say this ?

t3cii wrote:
I had mixed reactions seeing Anthony Cooper. While he was always a bastard, according to Locke he was a loving father. I'm glad we found out the reason this version of Locke was in a wheelchair.


Terry O'Quinn kicked too much ass in the episode, truly amazing.

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FLocke gets knocked into the water. How does this affect his "I can't cross water" comment? I'm guessing that was just bullshitl.


He can't float off the island IN his smoke form, besides, we only saw him get thrown into water, should we have expected for him to melt and scream "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" :lol: ?

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There was a lot of death in this episode. But I'm not sure how to feel about it. Sun and Jin's death was touching (although, why didn't Sun tell him to take care of their daughter? That would have convinced him to leave), but since we have the flashsideways, and since we can still see them again, I think the scene is sort of robbed of its impact. Ditto Sayid and Frank.


Sayid's death was incredible, and it pretty much slapped into our faces that Jack IS the next Jacob.

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"THERE IS NO SAYID!!". Worst. Line. Ever.


I wonder if we'll see some internet memes about this :lol:

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SILENCE BLASPHEMER ! *shoots Ghondar with Flocke's carbine*

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"THERE IS NO [insert thing here]!" is already a meme on a forum I go to.

Anyway, the idea that the flashsideways will be the final resting spot for our deceased Losties is obvious at this point. The question is, will any characters survive in the original timeline, and if so, who and why?

Also, Kate is a bitch, and annoying, and useless, and has had no interesting story since...ever, but god damn does she make my smoke monster tick, if you catch my drift. She can stick around as long as she's still hot.

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"The Candidate" 9/10


I see you and Ghondar have taken my cue by given the episode an out of 10 rating :) . I first got into the habit on IMDb, since there's always a thread rating each episode. I don't think I'll rate the finale though. I have a feeling it might be one of those episodes that will take a while to see the bigger picture.

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t3cii wrote:
We get a Jack centric episode tonight. After last episodes multi centric I think this episode proves that the show benefits more when the story has a singular focus.


No t3cii, again, "Happily Ever After" was not a bad episode, it was quite the contrary ;)


I was actually talking about the last episode which was "The Last Recruit".

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What makes you say this ?


I say it because it seems like it would give the characters the opportunity to have a happy ending. With so many of the cast dead, and with so much of the flash sideways left up in the air (will they all remember each other, will Jack fix Locke, etc) I just have a hunch that's where the season will end.

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He can't float off the island IN his smoke form, besides, we only saw him get thrown into water, should we have expected for him to melt and scream "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" :lol: ?


I'm just wondering if we should still take him for his word?

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The question is, will any characters survive in the original timeline, and if so, who and why?


I wouldn't be surprised if they all die on the island. There is an upcoming episode called [spoilers] "What They Died For"[spoliers]

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"Across The Sea".

I'm not going to give this episode a rating, a first for me this season. I'm not really sure how I feel about this episode. It is a purely mythological episode, and while some questions are answered, more questions are raised. From a strictly story telling perspective, I found much of this episode to be corny, downright goofy, Star Wars type shit. I don't hate the episode. But i was at least hoping for something on par with Ab Aeterno. Anyways, here are a few thoughts:

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- So after what seems like forever, we get confirmation of a long Lost theory, that Jacob and Smokey are brothers. One thing that continues to bug me is we still don't know Smokey's name. Normally when a show withholds a name it's because the name itself is of some significance. Some people have thought that Smokey is another character altogether. But I really don't know who that could be.

- Allison Janney as the mother was disappointing. But I don't know if it was because of her acting, or because of the dialogue. I found her line delivery to be very stilted. It reminded me of Church on Good Friday, when the priests and a few parishioners read out the story of Christ's crucifixion. She often sounded unnatural. But, again, it could just be the script itself.

- Speaking of the mother, why is she on the island? Who was she? Why was she so violent? I wish this had been made a bit clearer.

- So the mother wanted MIB to watch over the island. And MIB wanted to leave because he felt there was more out there, and that he didn't belong. But why is he special? Why could he see his real mother, but Jacob couldn't?

- The scene of the lifestream, or island's heart, or whatever it was, was pretty corny. Since Lost has usually been a show that is grounded in reality, I find the more fantastical, or mythical elements to be a bit jarring, at least from a visual standpoint.

- On other message boards some people think the Smoke Monster was another entity in itself. I don't think this is the case. I think it is simply the MIB's spirit merging with whatever was in that well (or cave). Because it's motivations for leaving the island are still the same. It got rid of it's physical body, and is now a supernatural force. That's my take, at least.

- The Adam and Even scene was kind of cool. But not at all subtle.

Overall I feel this was a necessary episode, but one that was poorly told. I don't really feel one way or another about the episode, but if you were to say it was the worst of the season I'm not sure I could argue with you. We did get some answers, but I feel it's how those answers are delivered, that is what makes for a satisfying episode, and as far as that is concerned, this episode wasn't terribly remarkable.

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I think there are two problems with this episode:
*Eloise Hawking 2.0, the mother of all exposition
*The missed opportunities that could have come with giving us a Smokey-centric episode

There is so much we need and want to know about MIB, and yet, this episode pretty much focused on one thing: why does he want to leave the island? Well, that could have been answered in ten minutes. Same with the wheel. Then we could have devoted the rest of the episode to things like the mysterious cabin, and the lighthouse, and the ash circles, and all those other Jacob-MIB questions that went completely unexplained in the episode. Not to mention all the new questions: who is the mother in the first place? How does she know all this? What is that light and how did it make MIB a smoke thing? I feel like the light thing is going to be the pivotal answer to the end of Lost so I bet we'll get an answer to that in the finale, but I wouldn't be surprised if we never heard or saw head or tail of the mother ever again.

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