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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:24 am 
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For me, the Vickers point just confused her character. I couldn't figure out if the film wanted me to sympathize with her or not.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:26 am 
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I thought it was a great alien prequel.
And yeah once you explain it like that it makes a bit more sense.
All my opinions though, still stand.

I'd see it again, I'd buy it, I'd learn to love it.
I thought it was great. But the pacing threw me off.
For how much it tonally teased "ALIEN" at you, it never quite reached the heights and raw sheer unnerving suspence that alien did.
Except in the one scene I mentioned I liked.

And I agree with Curi about that too.
Ultimately, she served as a commentary to Weyland, and then her usefulness as a character expired then too.
I feel like she stuck out like a sore thumb.

I also loved Idris Elba's character.
He reminded me of Kane in a really nice way.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:33 am 
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I thought it was great. But the pacing threw me off.
For how much it tonally teased "ALIEN" at you, it never quite reached the heights and raw sheer unnerving suspence that alien did.

To that, I'd say it's just not a horror film. It had some great horror and action scenes, but it wasn't really either of those.

Alien is a horror film, Aliens is an action film, Prometheus is a science-fiction film.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:41 am 
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Godziller66 wrote:
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I thought it was great. But the pacing threw me off.
For how much it tonally teased "ALIEN" at you, it never quite reached the heights and raw sheer unnerving suspence that alien did.

To that, I'd say it's just not a horror film. It had some great horror and action scenes, but it wasn't really either of those.

Alien is a horror film, Aliens is an action film, Prometheus is a science-fiction film.

Which is a totally fair and absolutely true asessment of it.
Of them.

I guess I personally was more wanting something raw and chilling.

Doesn't mean it wasn't awesome though.

I love how it doesn't answer the big broad questions.
Instead spends its time refining and reflecting on them, and merely teasing an answer.
Like a brilliant villain who always escapse at the end you might actually feel cheated if he was caught.

I hate movies that try to explain ALL of human existence because it always feels underwhelming cheap and contrived.
This one instead pointed out, we may not want to know the answer at all.
It could be scary. Dangerous even.

I love that.

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http://brutalbeta.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... ut-it.html
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My review.

I dunno, maybe I missed something, but could someone please explain to me what the Space Jockeys' plan was and how it made any kind of sense?


I tried to answer after your review. I am confused as hell after the movie. I get the feeling there is some kind of message contained in the film but it's like listening to someone talk while they are gargling mouthwash.

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My review.

I dunno, maybe I missed something, but could someone please explain to me what the Space Jockeys' plan was and how it made any kind of sense?


I tried to answer after your review. I am confused as hell after the movie. I get the feeling there is some kind of message contained in the film but it's like listening to someone talk while they are gargling mouthwash.

What are you confused about? I'm not even kidding when I say I think it's all fairly clear.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:09 pm 
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After seeing this again, I'm a bit more vague on certain things. Especially the opening. Do you who have seen it think that the engineer at the beginning was meant to serve as the titan Prometheus defying the other gods or that this was a sanctioned act necessary to kick-start life on Earth?

Furthermore, was that even Earth?

Also, after seeing it again, I'm far more on the fence about the prospect of a sequel whereas I definitely didn't think it should have one before. In any case, though, I think I'd rather see another movie set in the Blade Runner universe before a Prometheus 2 regardless.

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Well, apparently there's a good half-hour of scenes cut out.

Yes, ziller, that was Earth in the beginning, and that was the creation of human beings. or at least life on this planet.


from my understanding, the engineers return to earth to watch humans develop, and at a point of about 2,000 years ago (hint hint), there was something that made the engineers decide to wipe out humanity. trouble is, their own creations got the better of them before they could.


now, as i sit here watching alien, my guess is that we're not the only things the engineers made, because LV-426 and 233 are two different moons (despite looking and sounding very familiar) and it seems like a totally familiar situation to what happened in prometheus.

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Yeah, it's interesting how much I noticed on a second viewing.

Incidentally, check this out.

http://i.imgur.com/Ib9zs.jpg

It's easy to see the smaller image within the movie, like so,

http://milnersblog.files.wordpress.com/ ... -giger.jpg

but the rest seems to be some sort of Xenomorph map/life cycle with a Queen's head fading into the back at the very top and the thing as a whole seeming to resemble a giant egg.

Also, take a gander at the original way the opening played out.

http://i.imgur.com/mXLlK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AcThF.jpg

Incidentally, there's a green stone David starts to examine at the base of the Xenomorph map. I assume it just contains Xenomorph DNA or something to that effect, but it intrigued me more on a second viewing.

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Maybe the SJs are trying to break away from the xenomorphs. Those vials could contain stored SJ-individuals that are to be "released" into a breeding poulation of humans. The humans would be infected and with the added ability to breed could replant the SJ species.

This would mean that the SJs are essentially DNA-rebels on a long haul to get back into the gene-pool.

They have been in some form of sick symbiosis with the xenomorph species and want out.

Xeno-Sculptures on walls can also be warnings. However, the "human" chamber could be the inner sanctum for the SJs. Where their species is stored in wait for release. The SJs need spacefarers to succeed in spreading themselves. No use in turning up when a society hasn't yet invented rockets.

Their holo-map shows many possibles, where they have spread their DNA chain. Only one of those possibles shows that they have finally succeeded.

Earth.

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Spoilers.One theory that I have is that the Sjs worship the Xeno, which doesn't exist, but they have spent billions of years trying to create it, seeding earth to create humans as the raw material, then the black stuff is like a catalyst. That doesn't explain the ship full of eggs on 426 though but that could be a ship that has collected eggs from a planet that has already been turned into a xeno planet by the goo, which means maybe earth wasn't the only planet they seeded with life, maybe the galaxy is full of human planets, or planets that have already been converted to xeno planets.

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^ *That's a cool theory, but I think it's pretty safe to stick to the idea that the Xenomorphs are intended as bio-weapons from the get go. Not sure if the space jockeys worshiping them hypothesis incorporates that or not, but I think that's by far the most likely thing.*

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[well visually, and thematically there is definitely religious stuff going on, the bit at the beginning seemed like a ritual, and the jar room has an altar and basically a massive xeno crucifix thing... seems like they are certainly motivated by some sort of belief system rather than any logical reason, it's speculated that they created life because hey could, but I don't think that's the real reason, or really a reason at all, humanity created androids like David not just because they could, but also to make their lives easier.]

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[Maybe they worship destruction? There's gotta be a reason the Xenomorphs are such perfect killing machines. I don't think they were made that way by accident.]

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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

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Yes, ziller, that was Earth in the beginning, and that was the creation of human beings. or at least life on this planet.




Not according to Ridley, coulda been any planet they were messing with.

Answers to everyone's questions (where not deliberately open-ended in the film) are here, in various interviews with the director, writer, and actors.
http://io9.com/5917448/all-of-your-ling ... prometheus

I loved the first half, before it became a schlocky b-grade sci-fi action movie. I hated that some parts of the last third made me laugh (no, not at the intended points), when the first act had such gravitas.

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"It's something I haven't seen in science fiction, which is a sense of racism or bigotry towards androids and synthetic life."

:/ Oh, Logan Marshall-Green. You need to watch/read more science fiction.

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"It's something I haven't seen in science fiction, which is a sense of racism or bigotry towards androids and synthetic life."

:/ Oh, Logan Marshall-Green. You need to watch/read more science fiction.


I guess when brushing up on his director for Prometheus, he didn't think to watch Scott's other iconic Sci Fi movie!

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Actually, it's funny that Avatar mentions Blade Runner. Wasn't that another great movie with an unfairly godawful theatrical release?

Don't get me wrong, I still think that Prometheus as it exists right now is a total narrative mess. But rumors have been swirling about a director's cut coming out. I think that might be worth a chance, going by Ridley Scott's history with such things.

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