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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:10 pm 
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I think we can both agree his primary motivation has to do with protecting Benicio and Irene. I think we disagree on what constitutes vigilante activity, though.


Maybe, but I think that under your deffinition of vigilantism every criminal would be a vigilante :lol:

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Godziller66 wrote:
I think we can both agree his primary motivation has to do with protecting Benicio and Irene. I think we disagree on what constitutes vigilante activity, though.


Maybe, but I think that under your deffinition of vigilantism every criminal would be a vigilante :lol:

Well, when a guy starts smashing criminals' heads in instead of calling the cops, it's not a difficult call.

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Also, he's not really a Norman Bates type character. He's more akin to Travis Bickle (but less crazy) or the Punisher (also less crazy).


Meth is a hell of a drug.

If The Driver bears similarities to any archetypal character, it would have to be the one who tries his hardest to stay away from violence, yet is unsuccesful in his attempts. Travis Bickle is deranged due to feeling rejected and isolated, The Punisher wants to kill people for as long as his body will allow.

I explain it this way because I suck at getting examples out of the top of my head, but it's pretty much like that.

Well, it's sure as hell a closer comparison than Norman Bates. I'm aware that he's not just like the two characters I used as examples, but he has a twisted vigilante sense of justice like both of them.

Also, stop stealing my catch phrase that I stole from Rick James.


i used Norman Bates as an example because he was like a quite unassuming guy, who has an extremely violent side, when the Driver's violent side comes out, yes it is more Punisher-esque, but I was just comparing the 2-sided personality, not what the 2 sides specifically are.

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i used Norman Bates as an example because he was like a quite unassuming guy, who has an extremely violent side, when the Driver's violent side comes out, yes it is more Punisher-esque, but I was just comparing the 2-sided personality, not what the 2 sides specifically are.


Norman Bates isn't a very good example considering the whole "killed his mother and started killing people in a dress" thing he had going on.

As I said before: everything makes sense when you look at Driver's behavior throughout the movie from the perspective of a child:

1. He's unable to look people in the eye, and answers in one-word responses--like a child would. Also, he seems completely unaware of other people's feelings. This is especially the case where Standard talks/interrogates him, and Driver seems completely oblivious to the fact that Standard is pretty much questioning whether or not Driver slept with Irene

2. Much like some hero from a comic-book, he becomes a literal white knight and serves to protect her. Even when he attempts to ask Irene to run away with him, it's a rather childish way of thinking considering what happened before, and rather than be the bad-ass he tries so desperately to be, he comes off as a sad school-kid awkwardly asking a girl on a date. In a fucked up way, it's kind of adorable how dopeish he comes off as.

3. The most important part to consider is his relationship with Benicio. I do believe that Benicio is meant to be a reflection of Driver's character, and nowhere is this more apparent than the first time Driver visits Irene's apartment. Benicio puts on a Halloween mask, and Driver calls him scary. This image is repeated when Driver himself puts on a mask to kill Nino. Aside from that connection, Benicio is the only character that Driver seems at ease talking to; he's far too unsure of himself to hold up a conversation with another adult, and he's way too love-struck to even dare talk to Irene in a serious manner. Yet, Benicio and Driver seem more like friends than the "father-and-son" relationship one might typically find in crime-fiction.

All of this is integral to understanding why Driver acts as violently as he does. If we're to make a comparison with fellow psycopath Travis Bickle, Bickle's rage is far more focused--Driver's is a literal explosion. When he's pushed to the edge, he lashes out without any real regard for his own safety. In fact, everything that he does is purely reactionary: he doesn't think things through, nor does he seem to have a plan other than protecting Irene and Benicio. He certainly doesn't enjoy his rampage as he's absolutely horrified after the killings at the safe-house and elevator. Driver's violent nature is a part of himself that he can't possibly control. He's a child in a grown man's body.


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Did norman bates kill his mother or did she just die? It's been a long time since I saw the movie, but that's not what I was getting at at all.

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Did norman bates kill his mother or did she just die? It's been a long time since I saw the movie, but that's not what I was getting at at all.

He killed her. Then he went crazy from guilt, presumably.

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Godziller66 wrote:
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Did norman bates kill his mother or did she just die? It's been a long time since I saw the movie, but that's not what I was getting at at all.

He killed her. Then he went crazy from guilt, presumably.


Are we talking about the movie or the book ?

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Did norman bates kill his mother or did she just die? It's been a long time since I saw the movie, but that's not what I was getting at at all.

He killed her. Then he went crazy from guilt, presumably.


Are we talking about the movie or the book ?

The movie, I assume.

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The movie, I assume.


Uhm, I remember no mention of his mother in the movie, unless I'm forgetful.

Besides, isn't the whole movie sort-of a feminist middle finger on elitist Wall Street men ? Doesn't the movie put into question wether he actually killed who he thought he killed ?

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The movie, I assume.


Uhm, I remember no mention of his mother in the movie, unless I'm forgetful.

Besides, isn't the whole movie sort-of a feminist middle finger on elitist Wall Street men ? Doesn't the movie put into question wether he actually killed who he thought he killed ?

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We're talking about Psycho, right?

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Godziller66 wrote:
feliciano182 wrote:
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The movie, I assume.


Uhm, I remember no mention of his mother in the movie, unless I'm forgetful.

Besides, isn't the whole movie sort-of a feminist middle finger on elitist Wall Street men ? Doesn't the movie put into question wether he actually killed who he thought he killed ?

...

We're talking about Psycho, right?


OH SH....

*Leave room*

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feliciano182 wrote:
Godziller66 wrote:
feliciano182 wrote:
Godziller66 wrote:
The movie, I assume.


Uhm, I remember no mention of his mother in the movie, unless I'm forgetful.

Besides, isn't the whole movie sort-of a feminist middle finger on elitist Wall Street men ? Doesn't the movie put into question wether he actually killed who he thought he killed ?

...

We're talking about Psycho, right?


OH SH....

*Leave room*

...I just realized....You thought we were talking about American Psycho.

That's kind of understandable, actually.

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Does anyone else think it's weird that Refn is slated to direct both the remake of Logan's Run and Maniac Cop?

Also, Only God Forgives needs to just come out. Screw post-production.

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Does anyone else think it's weird that Refn is slated to direct both the remake of Logan's Run and Maniac Cop?

Also, Only God Forgives needs to just come out. Screw post-production.


he's only producing the Maniac Cop remake. Also there hasn't really been any news on it in 6 months.

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