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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:19 pm 
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Well, I don't want to see a movie where Batman wantonly kills people (I'm lookin' at you, Tim Burton), but Golden Age pulpy Batman would still be pretty sweet.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:26 pm 
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Just out of curiosity, would it be weird to have Brandon Routh play Batman?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:30 pm 
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t3cii wrote:
Just out of curiosity, would it be weird to have Brandon Routh play Batman?

A little, but he certainly looks the part.

Which just illustrates the point that Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne pretty much look exactly the same.

But honestly, I think I've only seen Routh in Superman Returns. I remember liking him in it, though, despite not liking the movie itself.

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I didn't say I can't stand it. I'm just pointing out the fallacy that it is some kind of rule.


It's not really a fallacy, you can't compare Golden Age Batman with his Modern Age counterpart and say there's a contradiction, there's a slight difference of 70+ years of history with three reboots; inevitably, the character has changed.

Though in sentiment, I agree with the idea that perhaps he should "kill" here and there, if only because his stories have become too rigid in that regard, obviously there are situations where killing is the only option there is, like Wonder Woman's case.

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I didn't say I can't stand it. I'm just pointing out the fallacy that it is some kind of rule.


It's not really a fallacy, you can't compare Golden Age Batman with his Modern Age counterpart and say there's a contradiction, there's a slight difference of 70+ years of history with three reboots; inevitably, the character has changed.

Though in sentiment, I agree with the idea that perhaps he should "kill" here and there, if only because his stories have become too rigid in that regard, obviously there are situations where killing is the only option there is, like Wonder Woman's case.


Which is kind of the reason why I love Nolan-Bats: He enforces his no-kill policy, but if he has to, he will put you down. Nolan-Bats would have broken the Joker's neck after some of the shit he's pulled throughout the comics.


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Yup, it's got power when he is pushed beyond a certain point. I liked when he sent Ras to his death in Batman Begins. And I remember, after finishing the chapter where he kills the Joker in Miller's Return, putting the book down and looking into space, going 'woaa-ah...'.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:18 pm 
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Nolan-Bats would have broken the Joker's neck after some of the shit he's pulled throughout the comics.

What makes you believe that? It seems pretty clear to me that it's just the opposite.

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Yup, it's got power when he is pushed beyond a certain point. I liked when he sent Ras to his death in Batman Begins. And I remember, after finishing the chapter where he kills the Joker in Miller's Return, putting the book down and looking into space, going 'woaa-ah...'.

Batman specifically didn't kill the Joker in TDKR, though...

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Godziller66 wrote:
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Nolan-Bats would have broken the Joker's neck after some of the shit he's pulled throughout the comics.

What makes you believe that? It seems pretty clear to me that it's just the opposite.

Mister Pain wrote:
Yup, it's got power when he is pushed beyond a certain point. I liked when he sent Ras to his death in Batman Begins. And I remember, after finishing the chapter where he kills the Joker in Miller's Return, putting the book down and looking into space, going 'woaa-ah...'.

Batman specifically didn't kill the Joker in TDKR, though...


Yeah, he did. He broke his neck. '..and something rustles as it leaves'.

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Mister Pain wrote:
Godziller66 wrote:
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Nolan-Bats would have broken the Joker's neck after some of the shit he's pulled throughout the comics.

What makes you believe that? It seems pretty clear to me that it's just the opposite.

Mister Pain wrote:
Yup, it's got power when he is pushed beyond a certain point. I liked when he sent Ras to his death in Batman Begins. And I remember, after finishing the chapter where he kills the Joker in Miller's Return, putting the book down and looking into space, going 'woaa-ah...'.

Batman specifically didn't kill the Joker in TDKR, though...


Yeah, he did. He broke his neck. '..and something rustles as it leaves'.

He tried to break his neck but couldn't bring himself to finish the job and break his rule as well in the process. So the Joker happily obliged and finished the job himself.

Which is an extremely disturbing thought, I might add.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:43 pm 
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Which is kind of the reason why I love Nolan-Bats: He enforces his no-kill policy, but if he has to, he will put you down. Nolan-Bats would have broken the Joker's neck after some of the shit he's pulled throughout the comics.


Nah, that's just bad writing.

If there's ONE horrible horrible horrible flaw in the Nolan trilogy it's:

"I won't kill you, but I won't save you either"

Stupid. Beyond all belief.

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If we're bringing Robin into this, we'll need someone older.


Oh hell no, not after last time.

If anything, get that kid from Percy Jackson to play Robin.


By older, I'm pretty sure he mean Batman needs to be older, not Robin.

Exactly. O'Donnell definitely proved that an older Robin flat doesn't work.

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I think robin would possibly work if done like All Star BnR, where batman basically abducts a young boy who he thinks has potential, and then basically brainwashes him into joining his fight.

All-Star Batman and Robin is just...just terrible. If they go the Robin route, it should be like Dark Victory.


it's a flawed book, but Ilike the Batman/Robin dynamic.
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A reboot isn´t necessary per se. Just broaden the horizons of those in charge of continuing the journey.

Not sure I understand.



Everything that happen in BB,TDK and TDKR is canon, but just stop the "realism" bullshit, and start getting into Freeze,Poison Ivy, on top of supernatural villains like Ra´s Al Ghul...

Christopher Nolan would probably sue someone if they did that.


nah, Nolan is British.

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Godziller66 wrote:
Well, I don't want to see a movie where Batman wantonly kills people


A movie where Batman kills people with wontons, however...

YEEEAAAHHH!!!

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Mister Pain wrote:
Godziller66 wrote:
Well, I don't want to see a movie where Batman wantonly kills people


A movie where Batman kills people with wontons, however...

YEEEAAAHHH!!!


or one-tons even :D

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uh oh, it's the goddamned batman!

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Wes Anderson: A wry, modern reclamation of the 1966 TV series, Anderson's Batman (Sam Rockwell) is a guy in the throes of a midlife crisis, who has built himself a family from the ground up, with Robin (Jason Schwartzman), Batgirl (Ellen Page), and his trusty butler, Alfred (Michael Gambon)-- plus Aunt Harriet (also Michael Gambon), who is starting to think Bruce and Dick's relationship might not be so platonic. Meanwhile, he continues his harried caped crusade against his enemies, including a Joker who's forgotten how to laugh (Bill Murray), a Catwoman who's becoming more cougar than sex kitten (Gwyneth Paltrow), a Penguin who's just been diagnosed with lung cancer (Bud Cort), and a Riddler who has seemingly mellowed out thanks to prescription medication (Willem Dafoe). what the [frick]

Also, every villain's henchmen are played by the same three guys-- Luke, Owen, and Andrew Wilson.


made me laugh :D

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Heh. Hehe...

Michael Gambon would make such a great Alfred.

But I think Jeff Goldblum would make a better Andersonesque Batman.

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possibly,
also no room for Angelica Huston? perhaps she'd be a better ageing catwoman.

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feliciano182 wrote:
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Which is kind of the reason why I love Nolan-Bats: He enforces his no-kill policy, but if he has to, he will put you down. Nolan-Bats would have broken the Joker's neck after some of the shit he's pulled throughout the comics.


Nah, that's just bad writing.

If there's ONE horrible horrible horrible flaw in the Nolan trilogy it's:

"I won't kill you, but I won't save you either"

Stupid. Beyond all belief.

And how exactly is it a flaw? I'd argue that it paints him as a far more human manifestation than his comic-book, "I won't kill no matter how awful the villain is in a vain attempt at moral superiority" counterpart.


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And how exactly is it a flaw? I'd argue that it paints him as a far more human manifestation than his comic-book, "I won't kill no matter how awful the villain is in a vain attempt at moral superiority" counterpart.


Ugh, you guys are still talking about this? Leave it to felicano to derail a thread.


Going back to the topic of the reboot, I always have a tough time thinking of actors for these types of roles. How many good actors are out there that also have the screen presence, and athleticism to play Batman? Let alone older actors?

Also, how about the other roles? The one role I'm sure of...

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And how exactly is it a flaw? I'd argue that it paints him as a far more human manifestation than his comic-book, "I won't kill no matter how awful the villain is in a vain attempt at moral superiority" counterpart.


Ugh, you guys are still talking about this? Leave it to felicano to derail a thread.


Going back to the topic of the reboot, I always have a tough time thinking of actors for these types of roles. How many good actors are out there that also have the screen presence, and athleticism to play Batman? Let alone older actors?

Also, how about the other roles? The one role I'm sure of...

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he really is perfect for Gordon,

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And how exactly is it a flaw? I'd argue that it paints him as a far more human manifestation than his comic-book, "I won't kill no matter how awful the villain is in a vain attempt at moral superiority" counterpart.



It´s not so much the "I´m gonna leave you to die" bit, it´s the funny shit that emerges from early comparisons.


"I will not kill this peasant, he should trialed.".

"I´m not gonna kill you, but I´m gonna leave you to die on the train whose controls I fucked up and is now on a one way trip to Explosion-ville ."


Who wrote this?Goyer?



Oh, and Brian Cranston is the fucking man.


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