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Since he started writing the songs that make the whole world sing.

So... forever.

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For a moment all I was reading was:

SINCE HE NO FINISHED NO WRITING THE SONGS THAT NO MAKE WORLD NO SING !

SO...NEVER !

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Further proof your brain doesn't work quite right.

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How much time did you spend making that lame-ass comeback ?

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Like... 3 seconds... why?

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So, much discussion there was of this, my conclusion ? The first actual New 52 title which I thought legitimately sucked ass, Red Hood & The Outlaws was just poorly executed, but this one was really shitty, the only thing to learn here is that DC Comics only thinks of Catwoman as a leather-clad hot chick with big tits.

You guys want to know when a comic book is really really bad ?

When it feels like you're reading hentai.



So, everyone knows by now how much I am loving Snyder's work with Batman.

But this really isn't the best Batman title so far, despite how great the reviews were for this, it really showed nothing that we haven't seen before in other stories of Batman, granted, this is the setup for what apparently is an 11-part story, something that Snyder promised to be "the next great bat-novel", but I really didn't get anything from this story, apart from a couple of cool panels of Batman breaking people's bones and some Harvey Bullock awesomeness.

Ironically Peter J. Tomasi surprised the crap out of me with his Batman & Robin first issue, granted, it's not at the level of Morrison's first run, but compared to the other bat-books of the New 52, it was (along with Batwing) the best so far, in my humble opinion.

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Wow, I'm pretty damn glad I avoided boarding the DCU boat.

Not just because of the blatant misogyny they call "edgy", but also because I don't have time to explain that to the clueless.

Comics set back. Community set back. Thank you, DC.

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What on earth are you yammering about now?

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

The last pages of this thread, though I think I was too fast to apply guilt to DC as a whole.

You know they're going to have put certain pressures on the creators though, right? I guess some of them only know a couple of ways to get attention.

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Naturally, still, somebody at least has to take the blame for probably making the worst depiction of Catwoman in comic book history though.

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I just....my god. Really? It's like people act as if Catwoman was never intended to be a total sex-pot.

Seriously, this entire thing has been blown out of proportion, and it's even more remarkably silly that we spent so much time discussing it. There are far, far worse representation of females in the entertainment medium, and it's surprising that this is the thing that people latched onto.

Good lord, would you drop it already ? How exactly is there anything wrong with wanting a good, well-written representation of a character whom I believe has potential for great story-telling ?

Turns out that now it's wrong to actually have standards these days !

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Then we should have had an argument on that, because that's an argument worth having. Not this bullshit "OH GOD SHE SHOWED A TIT, SEXISMLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLDCHAETSWOMEN!!!" crap that has been going on. It's like people have never seen fan-service in their life.

I'm not against drawing her like this:


BUT... the comic, any comic, shouldn't JUST rely on sex appeal to get by.
And the ending was just... ugh.
It needed a thicker story, some moral conflict, and a different angle on her psychological state.
Pffft... ANY psychological angle would've been nice.
But no we just get...
this angle:

Also this has the bones of something POTENTIALLY good, but everything on it was just mishandled.
Seriously.
The ending wasn't bad... just completely mishandled.
As was the rest of it.

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This.

I haven't read these two issues. I was thinking about it, but after reading about them I really don't want to anymore. Still, I'd like to throw in my two cents....

These issues are the opening to a completely new relaunch, meaning you're suppose to be introducing the characters to new readers. That means you should make a good first impression with the character. And I think opening a series with your main character running around half-naked in bright red lingerie is a pretty crappy first impression. They could have introduced her a hundred other ways, fully clothed, without subtracting from her "hotness," --she's wearing a leather bodysuit for christ sakes-- while showing off her personality.

And there is a good damn deal more to Catwoman's personality than just being a "sexpot." She a cat burglar for God's sakes. That means she has to be very smart, a good liar, and has to think fast. Then there's uniquely Selina personality traits. You know? The ones that keep Batman interested in her? Again, I haven't read much about her, but general pop culture tells me she's very confident, daring, and of gray-morality (which can encompass a ton of other things).


It's one thing to draw Catwoman attractively and for her be flirty with a lot of aplomb and sex appeal--I'm all for that--but, as Nite Owl just said, you can't get by on that alone, and when you do start focusing on only that, that's when problems start.

Also, from what I see this whole issue is just a lead up to Catwoman having sex with Batman on a roof, little else. You think they could have held off on the sex for at least another issue, or at least drawn it more tastefully.

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Totally agree. Not to mention theres alot of stuff to take advantage of in this being a reboot.
This failed as a comic, PERIOD.
Even if this was OKAY, it would still have issues.
Like Detective Comics #1. Well drawn, written, paced... but totally something we've seen many many times.
Even if Catwoman had been a good-standard, it still would've had to offer something fresh otherwise...
why the hell reboot it?
So it fails on more that just the apparant level.

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She's a prostitute who only became a costumed theif because she wanted Batman's attention so that she could fuck him. That is her actual definitive origin. And the writing was snappy and fun.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

Smutty, are you drunk ?

In all seriousness, you're saying the weirdest shit tonight.

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What? That's her actual origin. Read Year One and tell me I'm wrong.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

Partially mistaken actually, she decided to leave her life as a prostitute because Batman empowered her to do what she wanted out of life.

She's not Nancy Spungen you know ?

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