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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:56 pm 
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It was certainly really bothering at first, but the more I think about it the neater it is. I actually haven't read much of Morrison beyond Arkham Asylum: A Serious Home on Serious Earth. What would you suggest?


Yeeeesssssss....a new Grant Morrison fan in the making :twisted: !

*Clears throat*

Anyways, I haven't read all I should from Grant Morrison, from what I know I can recommend:

-All-Star Superman, probably the best Superman mini-series you'll ever read in your life.

-Morrison's Batman run, which by now is a collection of Trades that follows in this order:

Batman & Son --> Batman: The Black Glove --> Batman R.I.P. --> Batman & Robin --> Batman: The Return Of Bruce Wayne --> Batman Incorporated.

And now, coming this year:

Batman: Leviathan, DO NOT TOUCH THIS ONE unless you've read all the trades I mentioned before, otherwise you'll be confused as fuck, Morrison's work on Batman was very cerebral and acumulative, every event sums up with each other and the entire story goes back and forth constantly, if you have the time for this endeavor, then read it in order.

You could also check out his other work which I haven't read yet, like his runs on both Animal Man and Doom Patrol, The Invisibles, Fantastic Four, to name a few.


Thanks! I'll start with Superman because I really haven't read much work about him, almost all the graphic novels I own are Batman essential readings.

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ViolentNewCountry wrote:
Thanks! I'll start with Superman because I really haven't read much work about him, almost all the graphic novels I own are Batman essential readings.


Be warned...

...All-Star Superman is not a superhero story, doesn't it mean it's a bad story, just keep your mind open as you read it, it's one of the most beautiful stories ever told in the medium, but it's unconventional.

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Thanks! I'll start with Superman because I really haven't read much work about him, almost all the graphic novels I own are Batman essential readings.


Be warned...

...All-Star Superman is not a superhero story, doesn't it mean it's a bad story, just keep your mind open as you read it, it's one of the most beautiful stories ever told in the medium, but it's unconventional.


The very notion of that eclipses my soul :cry:

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I only read all star Superman recently but I loved it, high points being a very powerful supes, and the portrayal of Clark Kent.

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Thanks! I'll start with Superman because I really haven't read much work about him, almost all the graphic novels I own are Batman essential readings.


Be warned...

...All-Star Superman is not a superhero story, doesn't it mean it's a bad story, just keep your mind open as you read it, it's one of the most beautiful stories ever told in the medium, but it's unconventional.


The very notion of that eclipses my soul :cry:


It's an amazing story man, it's just not the typical "Good Guy VS Bad Guy" scenario, see for yourself.

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Pretty enthralling stuff.

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feliciano182 wrote:
ViolentNewCountry wrote:
It was certainly really bothering at first, but the more I think about it the neater it is. I actually haven't read much of Morrison beyond Arkham Asylum: A Serious Home on Serious Earth. What would you suggest?


Yeeeesssssss....a new Grant Morrison fan in the making :twisted: !

*Clears throat*

Anyways, I haven't read all I should from Grant Morrison, from what I know I can recommend:

-All-Star Superman, probably the best Superman mini-series you'll ever read in your life.

-Morrison's Batman run, which by now is a collection of Trades that follows in this order:

Batman & Son --> Batman: The Black Glove --> Batman R.I.P. --> Batman & Robin --> Batman: The Return Of Bruce Wayne --> Batman Incorporated.

And now, coming this year:

Batman: Leviathan, DO NOT TOUCH THIS ONE unless you've read all the trades I mentioned before, otherwise you'll be confused as fuck, Morrison's work on Batman was very cerebral and acumulative, every event sums up with each other and the entire story goes back and forth constantly, if you have the time for this endeavor, then read it in order.

You could also check out his other work which I haven't read yet, like his runs on both Animal Man and Doom Patrol, The Invisibles, Fantastic Four, to name a few.

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Morrison's work on Animal Man is better than either his Batman run or All-star.
Two things that Feli neglected to mention is that both of those are heavily reliant on the legacies of both characters, digging out old ideas from the silver and bronze age, especially All-star Superman, which is pretty much a loveletter to Superman's entire legacy and might even be a bit hard to follow if you aren't well-versed in the character.
Both runs are incredibly good though, but neither of them even compare to the work of genius that is Animal Man, a series that is up there with Watchmen and Sandman in my opinion.
Another great read is the event The Seven Soldiers, but it's quite an undertaking to get through.
He is also one of the group of five writers who worked on the series 52, a series that I only read about four months ago, and he returns to write animal man in the series after twenty years.
A lot of people love his run on New X-men, though I'm really not a huge fan of it, but I've found that usually it's fans are people who haven't read a lot of X-men, so if this is an accurate description of you, by any means, go ahead and pick up the first trade.
At the moment I'm reading Morrison's run on JLA, and it's a lot of fun, despite the unfortunate fact that this is during the "Superman Blue" era, and Supes's costume looks fucking awful.
I've heard good things about Doom Patrol, but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

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Started reading Frank Miller's All Star Batman today... it's um... certainly interesting :|

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Started reading Frank Miller's All Star Batman today... it's um... certainly interesting :|

I started reading it a bit ago because Smutty and Brooklyn love it, but I just couldn't finish it.

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Started reading Frank Miller's All Star Batman today... it's um... certainly interesting :|

I started reading it a bit ago because Smutty and Brooklyn love it, but I just couldn't finish it.


As always, too much kindness.

That comic is pathetically bad, way too lame and way too pointless.

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feliciano182 wrote:
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ViolentNewCountry wrote:
Started reading Frank Miller's All Star Batman today... it's um... certainly interesting :|

I started reading it a bit ago because Smutty and Brooklyn love it, but I just couldn't finish it.


As always, too much kindness.

That comic is pathetically bad, way too lame and way too pointless.


OR, you just didn't get it.
And I dunno what you mean by too much kindness, I can be pretty harsh with my opinions of stuff I don't like, especially that of Warren Ellis.

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OR, you just didn't get it.


There's NOTHING to get, it's Frank Miller applying his modern brand of EXTREEEEEEEME to Batman, pathetically doing so, this is one of those few times that I could sincerely feel sorry for Jim Lee.

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I dunno if it's true or not, but i heard the TPB of ASBnR does not have the final issue or something.... not sure if that's true,

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I dunno if it's true or not, but i heard the TPB of ASBnR does not have the final issue or something.... not sure if that's true,

Well, it was meant to continue some more, so it was probably released as they were still coming out.

But anyway, I knew exactly what I was getting into, I tried to view it from a deconstructionist perspective, but I just couldn't get past issue five or so.

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I dunno if it's true or not, but i heard the TPB of ASBnR does not have the final issue or something.... not sure if that's true,


That is true. ASBnR is probably the most under rated book in Miller's catalogue. It's just a fun ride, it's like a B-Action movie, you read it, laugh, cringe, and just have fun doing it

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I dunno if it's true or not, but i heard the TPB of ASBnR does not have the final issue or something.... not sure if that's true,


That is true. ASBnR is probably the most under rated book in Miller's catalogue. It's just a fun ride, it's like a B-Action movie, you read it, laugh, cringe, and just have fun doing it


I honestly get that sometimes. At the core it is an awesome idea: a balls-out version of Batman where he isn't subjected to any type of moral standards in comics. The way he's passionate, crazy and unsure seems like a more accurate portrait of what Batman would be like. It's just Miller's writing that gets me. The repetition seemed poetic in say The Dark Knight Returns, but here it just feels like he's beating an old horse. There was a 2 page spread where Vicki Vale said "it was brutal" like 6 or 8 times. Dick's pointing out of how Batman sounded like Clint Eastwood just felt weird. Speaking of weird: Batman manically laughing at explosions, considering cops trying to off him as "cool" and making comparisons between Gotham and Edgar Allen Poe's woman is just... it's just all very jarring.

I haven't completely hated it so far, I'm really unsure. I'll keep reading for sure, because I at the last admire the insanity that's going on here even if I don't quite agree with it's presentation.

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Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
That is true. ASBnR is probably the most under rated book in Miller's catalogue. It's just a fun ride, it's like a B-Action movie, you read it, laugh, cringe, and just have fun doing it


Translation:

"FRANK MILLER CAN DO NO WRONG DAMMIT !!!"

Seriously ViolentNewCountry, drop that shit, your time would be perfectly well spent with the "All-Star" comic which is actually good.

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feliciano182 wrote:
Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
That is true. ASBnR is probably the most under rated book in Miller's catalogue. It's just a fun ride, it's like a B-Action movie, you read it, laugh, cringe, and just have fun doing it


Translation:

"FRANK MILLER CAN DO NO WRONG DAMMIT !!!"

Seriously ViolentNewCountry, drop that shit, your time would be perfectly well spent with the "All-Star" comic which is actually good.


It's just in me to finish it out. Quick question: I got both All-Star Superman and Morrison's Action Comics up to date. Now I'm aware that the New 52 is a reboot of sorts, but will I need to read All-Star to enjoy/appreciate/understand Action Comics?

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It's just in me to finish it out. Quick question: I got both All-Star Superman and Morrison's Action Comics up to date. Now I'm aware that the New 52 is a reboot of sorts, but will I need to read All-Star to enjoy/appreciate/understand Action Comics?


Well, enjoy the one thing that didn't fail in that comic, Jim Lee's art !

And not at all on the second issue, All-Star is it's own story, set apart from regular continuity, you don't need to read it to get into New 52 Action Comics, yet it's still a great Superman story !

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ViolentNewCountry wrote:
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That is true. ASBnR is probably the most under rated book in Miller's catalogue. It's just a fun ride, it's like a B-Action movie, you read it, laugh, cringe, and just have fun doing it


Translation:

"FRANK MILLER CAN DO NO WRONG DAMMIT !!!"

Seriously ViolentNewCountry, drop that shit, your time would be perfectly well spent with the "All-Star" comic which is actually good.


It's just in me to finish it out. Quick question: I got both All-Star Superman and Morrison's Action Comics up to date. Now I'm aware that the New 52 is a reboot of sorts, but will I need to read All-Star to enjoy/appreciate/understand Action Comics?


Really, I feel that All-star Batman is a great pastiche of the Bill Finger pre-new-look era, mixed with Miller's own Dark Knight universe, and I feel that the result is just hilarious and a lot of fun.
Onto your other question, Action and All-star have nothing to do with eachother other than being Superman stories written by Morrison, although I do feel that you may not enjoy/appreciate/understand All-star if you don't have a longstanding understanding of Superman's history.

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