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I prefer DKR because of the story and I loved Batman beating up Superman

but Year One is also a masterpiece and one of the best Graphic Novels I've ever read.
They are my #2 and #3 over all (behind Watchmen of course)

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@RealSlimCAvery

Dark Knight Returns was great! Year One however. . .I think it's overrated. Don't get me wrong, it's one of Miller's best works but to me, it was missing something. It felt rushed to me. I read it once, I won't read it again.

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i am a huge frank miller fan, but i still don't think dkr is that great.

great concept, brilliant execution but still a bit "meh" to me.

i guess when i first read it, my expectations were really high.

but yes, the superman bits kick ass

and i'm hopefully going to buy year one when my local store has it in as it is rediculously cheap.

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oh another thing that dragged dkr down for me is that i read the dark night strikes again straight after - they are both in my college's library.

dkr2 is a crime against comics nature... a waste of time in my opinion

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I haven't read the sequel, but DKR is really good, imo

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@RealSlimCAvery

don't.

i know several people who won't buy the absolute dark knight due to it being soiled by dkr2, and everyone else who's read it knows it isn't good.

i read it for free in my library - and it still pissed me off

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What is it about it that enrages everyone?

Just wondering

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@RealSlimCAvery

it is not easy to read, nor fun for a start.

robin becomes cat girl with roller skates (?)

it has none of the depth of dkr

batman is not in about 70% of it

some things are so good they should never have a sequel...

i could go on... but i won't. and i would re-read it, but i'm sure it will still piss me off. it honestly felt like a chore to read, rather than something to read.

one thing i did enjoy was the new wayne/grayson dynamic, which was interesting and well done.

if you want to read something where every dc character is dragged out... read darwyn cooke's new frontier - amazing artwork (especially is you're a fan of batman: the animated series) and a good read with characters not just being dragged out pointlessly.

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http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=9175

miller's all-star batman and robin

get it! it's great!!!

that book is issues 1-9 and 10 and 11 are coming out next month

it is set in the dark knight universe... so it is set in the same timeline as dkr - just as robin comes in.

i have been getting this since the beginning... lee's art is phenominal

i love it ...despite the months upon months of late issues

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What the hell?

Why would robin become Cat Girl? Who becomes the new Robin?

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@RealSlimCAvery

I think you have the wrong end of the stick. in the comic Batman's partner is a girl in a catsuit with rollerskates. (i dont remember if he calls her Robin or not)

I only read the first issue/book... never bothered to continue!

DKR is one of my fave all time comics!

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Uridium.

if memory serves... although carrie kelly dresses similarly to the standard robin costume... she is still called by her name, and not robin but batman in dkr.

3 years on (her being 16 now), she has taken the persona of cat-girl in dkr2... complete with rollerskates.

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That makes better sense

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@RealSlimCAvery

read it if you want and it'll all be crystal clear - but i seriously would recommend all-star batman and robin if you enjoyed both dkr and y1.

new frontier is great is you want to see basically every dcu character of the silver age under one title...

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I think I might, just to develop my own opinion

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@RealSlimCAvery

Really? I mean I enjoyed the first few issues of All-Star Batman and Robin, but there was always a strange feeling with it, that Frank Made Batman insane, which is an interesting take, and I accepted that, until after the 6 or 7th issue I just couldn't take it all that seriously anymore.

Did it get better, or am I just missing something with the series?

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"I don't murder children."

" I do.... If I have to."

I am very curious as to why anybody would compare the two. The only reason, as I see it, is if someone went into a shop with only enough cash for one of them.

They both have a place on my shelf!

I didn't pay for them, mind. I was given them by DC at a bookfair.

I really like Mazzucchelli's style. Really nice colouring, too.

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techinically, all of miller's batman work is in the dark kight universe (with perhaps the exception of darknight - havem't read that) - away from regular continuty. the things we are seeing happen in all-star b & rtbw is what causes all the fucked up situations we see in dkr and dkr2. we see in dkr that things got really screwed up between grayson and wayne - and this is because of the abuse in all-star b & rtbw.

i loved issue 6 - that was the black canary one... i think

...and the green lantern issue (#9?) was even better.

the art is faultless - beyond any other batman work i've ever seen. lee has even outdone his x-men work, in my opinion.

"i love being the goddamn batman" is uttered constantly and batman is how he should be - fucking nuts.

oh yeah, and you can't go wrong when he's refered to as the batman, rather than just batman. it adds so much to the mythos of miller's character. (that's right, in his books miller owns batman)

the first hardcover was out last week - so i would recommend buying it!

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You know I never actually thought of it that way.

I guess it does seem like there is a rhyme or reason to it.

I also agree with "The Batman" being better than just calling him "Batman", I guess it's just vastly different than most of the Batman comics I own, I just probably need to get use to that idea of version of him.

I always liked Frank's work and he does give that feeling he owns the characters he writes about (even if he didn't create them).

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"I don't murder children."

" I do.... If I have to."

in both his batman and daredevil runs, he permanently changed the character - particularly the latter.

i think it is important to note that this is a batman and robin comic through and through - this is technically robin's story. there is also not just one narrator - as far as i can remember vicki vale, robin, superman, hal jordan, wonder woman, the joker, black canary, bat-girl and of course the batman all get a turn to be in charge of the narrative.

the only thing i don't like is the huge delays this book suffers from - it think over 10 months between #4 and #5.

all in all, this is the only batman book i read... because batman is how he should be - a psychopath with self enduced insomnia and an unhealthy taste for vengence.

on the exact other end of the scale - Batman - Ego and Other Tails collection by Darwyn Cooke is great, but is much more of a traditional batman. it's flagship story "Ego" is a distirbing if not a little predictable look into batman's psychological problems. actually, the best story in there is "Deja Vu".

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