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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:38 pm 
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you were hoping to speculate with the rest of us on what the nature of this TV show would be, while the overwhelming majority seems to be in agreement that such a show should not be made.

Does that sound about right?


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i gave him my thoughts on the concept

its just the star wars comparisons kinda drove me crazy being a huge watchmen and star wars fan - but the two don't corralate whatsoever in my opinion

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Also, the next superheroes don't have to come from Dan and Laurie, they could come from normal people. Where do you think the original Minutemen came from? Or there could've been kids inspired by Rorschach or Nite Owl to become heroes. You never really know...And yes, you're right, a TV show without Rorschach wouldn't work, but I just think this board is way off topic now.
Well, let me try to sum up the topic and get it back on track.

You proposed an animated TV series to work as an extension or prequel to the Watchmen story. If I'm not mistaken, you were hoping to speculate with the rest of us on what the nature of this TV show would be, while the overwhelming majority seems to be in agreement that such a show should not be made.

Does that sound about right?


Yes, it's just that me and iancontinence are starting to get off topic.

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you were hoping to speculate with the rest of us on what the nature of this TV show would be, while the overwhelming majority seems to be in agreement that such a show should not be made.

Does that sound about right?


see when strongerlovingworld asked
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i gave him my thoughts on the concept

its just the star wars comparisons kinda drove me crazy being a huge watchmen and star wars fan - but the two don't corralate whatsoever in my opinion


No they don't really correlate, but what I'm trying to say is that Star Wars is to science fiction as Watchmen is to comic books, and that a lot of the broader elements are the same.

Anyway, ideas? :)

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Personally, I would LOVE to see a Watchmen prequel miniseries on Adult Swim/HBO.

And no, not at ALL like Happy Harry's Saturday Morning Watchmen :lol: This would be directly based on the graphic novel and movie's universe(s), and cover the activities of the heroes years before the Keene Act. Hopefully they could get all the original actors to reprise their roles.

But instead of calling it Rorschach's Journal, I think Watchmen would work just fine.

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I think a show chronicling the Minutemen would be better, just because everyone wants something of a Rorschach spin-off.

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I think a show chronicling the Minutemen would be better, just because everyone wants something of a Rorschach spin-off.

I was considering that as well.

Maybe they could show flashback portions/episodes dedicated to the Minutemen. I always found them equally fascinating to the Crimebusters.

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I think it would be great if "Rorschach's Journal" is a stop-motion horror/action/mystery film, like how he stalks his victims back to his lair and kills them with grotesque methods unimaginable. Reminds me of the Dexter series, by the way.

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When I saw this thread I honestly thought it was a joke, kind of like the Watchmen sequel thread. It appears not. A Watchmen film, fair enough, but I don't want anything else. We have the book, we have the book on screen, we need no more. Thats just my opinion, but seriously, a spin off/ prequel for me would definitely be a no go, even though deep down I think a prequel would be nice, if it fully charted the antics of the Minutemen, but I think we have tortured Alan Moore enough

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I think it would be great if "Rorschach's Journal" is a stop-motion horror/action/mystery film, like how he stalks his victims back to his lair and kills them with grotesque methods unimaginable.

Wait...he..does that?

Also, how do you stalk someone to your own lair? Rorschach has a lair?

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Godziller66 wrote:
Wait...he..does that?

Also, how do you stalk someone to your own lair? Rorschach has a lair?


His lair is the alley, right? Actually what I meant to say is that his victims usually commits their crimes in the alley and Rorschach can stalk them there.

Or Rorschach can track his victims to their homes and kill them there, just like how he did to Grice.

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rorschach doesn't have a lair... what the hell version of watchmen did you see/read? grant morrison's? and tbone, alan moore originally planned to do a prequel for the minutemen, so it wouldn't be too bad. the only problem is that they never really started doing it, so everything would be new material.

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Yeah, the lair idea has nothing to do with Watchmen. Rorschach doesn't have a lair, he lives in an apartment with a fat ugly tyrantess as a landlord.

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WJK wrote:
rorschach doesn't have a lair... what the hell version of watchmen did you see/read? grant morrison's? and tbone, alan moore originally planned to do a prequel for the minutemen, so it wouldn't be too bad. the only problem is that they never really started doing it, so everything would be new material.



That would have been really cool if they had done one :(

COME BACK TO THE UNIVERSE OF WATCHMEN AND WRITE A PREQUEL ALAN!

(I know he wouldn't, as that would probably get stolen by WB and made into another film, but I guess it might not because I assume Watchmen was not a box office hit, and it got mixed reviews from critics too)

URGH I just had the most revolting idea. A straight to dvd adaption of Watchmen. In other words typical shoddy quality adaption of Alan Moore's masterpiece. If WB do a straight to DVD spin off (other than ToTBF and UTH) I will scream.

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Some day, in all likelihood, for whatever reason, a new Watchmen project is going to come along. Eventually, almost everything in pop culture these days gets cannibalized, bastardized, or resurrected. Ownership rights change, trademarks need to be kept viable, even the public domain ultimately asserts its rule. There's no telling what sort of project it will be or why it will be made or if it will be made out of love and affection and creative energy or purely mercenary motives. It's unlikely Moore or Gibbons will be involved (unless things change very rapidly indeed in the next twenty years) so we're going to be at the mercy of unknown forces much as Tolkien fans in, say, 1967 had no inkling of a Peter Jackson filmmaker coming along in the 21st century.

I will throw out one idea for a WATCHMEN: Next Generation: What if the ghetto kid shown on page 26, Ch. VII, tentatively raising his hand in thanks for Nite Owl's rescue (maybe it's also him on page 25, center panel; or saying "Mom? That guy in the space rocket, is that Jesus?" on page 24) is so transformed by this experience that he vows to devote his life to saving others as he was saved? Twenty years later, he befriends an aging crime fighter, his former idol, and becomes in turn Nite Owl III -- or, equally conceivably, his life in the ghetto twists him so that he becomes a new version of Rorschach....

Just one possible twist!

Personally, as I've written on another board, I wouldn't mind seeing either Minutemen adventures or "Crimebusters" stories from the 1960s, fleshed out cases alluded to in the GN or entirely new stories set in the pre-Keene era. Or post-Keeene Rorschach stories, pre-1985. If they were done with skill and care, they could be worthwhile. I would want to see a craftsman involved, not just enthusiastic fanboy types -- a REAL writer and artist who had made a mark with other work but also loved and understood the specdialness of WATCHMEN. Too many fanboys in comics and movies, IMHO, is what has made these fields increasingly derivative, imitative, and shallow. I can spot a mile away when a comic book writer only knows how to write from reading comic books or when an artist learned how to draw by copying comic book art rather than study art seriously first.

Let the brickbats be hurled!

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^ I very much doubt anything will come for Watchmen in the future, except for more people liking/hating it.

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I will throw out one idea for a WATCHMEN: Next Generation: What if the ghetto kid shown on page 26, Ch. VII, tentatively raising his hand in thanks for Nite Owl's rescue (maybe it's also him on page 25, center panel; or saying "Mom? That guy in the space rocket, is that Jesus?" on page 24) is so transformed by this experience that he vows to devote his life to saving others as he was saved? Twenty years later, he befriends an aging crime fighter, his former idol, and becomes in turn Nite Owl III -- or, equally conceivably, his life in the ghetto twists him so that he becomes a new version of Rorschach....

Just one possible twist!

Joking, of course.

...

Plus that kid was probably killed by a certain giant squid creature.

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rorschach doesn't have a lair... what the hell version of watchmen did you see/read? grant morrison's?


Errrr.... My own version?

Anyway, perhaps the word 'lair' doesn't seem like a good word for Rorschach's hunting grounds, being his alley, I suppose. However, we can make an exception for his victims' homes though.

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Goldschach wrote:
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rorschach doesn't have a lair... what the hell version of watchmen did you see/read? grant morrison's?


Errrr.... My own version?

Anyway, perhaps the word 'lair' doesn't seem like a good word for Rorschach's hunting grounds, being his alley, I suppose. However, we can make an exception for his victims' homes though.

I kind of assumed he killed criminals in the streets.

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Godziller66 wrote:
Goldschach wrote:
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rorschach doesn't have a lair... what the hell version of watchmen did you see/read? grant morrison's?


Errrr.... My own version?

Anyway, perhaps the word 'lair' doesn't seem like a good word for Rorschach's hunting grounds, being his alley, I suppose. However, we can make an exception for his victims' homes though.

I kind of assumed he killed criminals in the streets.


Nahh I agree I think he takes them in to the darkest, scariest alley around, and does what rorschach does best....

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I think it would be great if "Rorschach's Journal" is a stop-motion horror/action/mystery film, like how he stalks his victims back to his lair and kills them with grotesque methods unimaginable. Reminds me of the Dexter series, by the way.


As much as I love Watchmen and I love stop motion, I really don't see the 2 working together. Wrong material.

I guess what I would like best is if they fleshed out the whole book of Under the Hood in to a full series, as you often get those sorts of programmes about people's lives. I know they kind of did it on TotBF dvd, but I would prefer something more detailed. But again all this feels fundamentally wrong as I really don't think that Watchmen should be given the franchise treatment. It is like the dodgey Treasure Island sequels, or the Dracula sequel, as I regard Watchmen as a classic in it's own right, my views are LEAVE THE CLASSIC ALONE!!!

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tbone wrote:
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Goldschach wrote:
WJK wrote:
rorschach doesn't have a lair... what the hell version of watchmen did you see/read? grant morrison's?


Errrr.... My own version?

Anyway, perhaps the word 'lair' doesn't seem like a good word for Rorschach's hunting grounds, being his alley, I suppose. However, we can make an exception for his victims' homes though.

I kind of assumed he killed criminals in the streets.


Nahh I agree I think he takes them in to the darkest, scariest alley around, and does what rorschach does best....

I kind of count that as the streets. He doesn't go to their homes and kill them.

I assume he doesn't.

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