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 Post subject: Re: Nite Owl II Returns
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:44 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Blow Cover
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The delicious irony being that IP protection, particulary in the US, has largely been about generating not only incentives for creators to continue creating (i.e. not managing to acrimoniously drive away your bearded cash cow and swear him off ever knowingly working for you again), but also to encourage and promote innovation (i.e. not simply to oversee the regurgitation of the ideas that aforementioned cash cow and his artistic partner laid out twenty-five years ago... no "re-imagining" at all is precisely right).

But - once more - let's not get into that whole argument again so as to avoid the general unpleasantness it typically brings in its wake, eh? ;)

Isn't this the way of "Big Hollywood?" We go from remake, to sequel to reboot over and over again. The industry is designed to create cash cows and little else. And when the indie world manages to give us this....

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The greedy suits latch on and give us this...

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 Post subject: Take Cover
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Innovative hit to derivative shit? Hurm.


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 Post subject: Re: Nite Owl II Returns
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Yeah fine! its a cash grab!
AND?
It may be unnecessary, unwarranted, and existing out of pure greed!
It also may totally suck and pale in comparison to the original!
It may forever tarnish the singular glory of the GN!
It very well may end comics as we know it!

But! At least its- wait what am I saying?
HOLY SHIT!
SOMEBODY STOP THEM!
THE WORLD WILL BE FOREVER LESSENED JUST BECAUSE A Watchmen prequel was made...

I may not be as excited as I was for this.... but its hardly worth flipping shit over.
I talk to people who act like DC is giving birth to the fuckin antichrist.
ITS A COMIC BOOK! Dont wanna buy it? Shut up then and DONT BUY IT!
Stop telling us a hundred times you aren't going to buy it. Geezus christ.

By the way I'm totally NOT referring to anyone on the boards. I'm clearly NOT.

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 Post subject: Re: Take Cover
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Innovative hit to derivative shit? Hurm.

The odds that these Watchmen prequels will be "derivative shit" are certainly very high. I can agree with that point.

Still, I'm going to hold out hope that the creators develop something that's at least somewhat thought provoking and interesting. I know it will never trump the original - there's really no way it can, however...

I'll buy it, I'll read it - but I'm not promising to like it.

I'm very curious to see what Gibbons and Higgins will have to say about these. Will they openly support and approve? Will they cautiously sidestep any true endorsement or condemnation? I have to assume that both want to keep their relationship with DC friendly, so I'm sure we certainly won't get any outright bashing.

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 Post subject: Re: Nite Owl II Returns
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It may forever tarnish the singular glory of the GN!


Question... was Star Wars Episode V: The empire Strikes back tarnished by Phantom Menace? Was The Dark Knight Returns tarnished by Dark Knight Strikes Again? Was godfather I or II tarnished and ruined because of III? Oh, wait... no, they weren't? People can still go back and enjoy the unchanged (well, the case of Star Wars is different) originals and ignore the sequels/prequels? Hmmm... If I didn't know any better i'd think people are freaking out over nothing.

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The odds that these Watchmen prequels will be "derivative shit" are certainly very high.


I believe in Darwyn Cooke. I think at the very least they will be good in their own right, not as good, but far from crap thrown in the 25 cent bin. DC isn't putting some rookies on this to try and get their names out, they are putting the best they have on these, they want a good product because they realize that if it's not good... they won't get their money

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 Post subject: Re: Nite Owl II Returns
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actually you can still enjoy the original unchanged trilogy, provided you have it on DVD or VHS.

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actually you can still enjoy the original unchanged trilogy, provided you have it on DVD or VHS.


Fair enough, but most people probably don't, my overall point is still valid

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Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
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actually you can still enjoy the original unchanged trilogy, provided you have it on DVD or VHS.


Fair enough, but most people probably don't, my overall point is still valid

Yeah, I suppose it is a fair point seeing as how both the theatrical cuts on DVD and VHS seem pretty inconvenient to get a hold of.

But yeah, it's not like they're going to burn all the copies of *shudder* The original *sigh* Watchmen.

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But yeah, it's not like they're going to burn all the copies of *shudder* The original *sigh* Watchmen.


If anything they'll probably end up releasing a new edition to coincide with the prequels.

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Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
NiteOwl wrote:
It may forever tarnish the singular glory of the GN!


Question... was Star Wars Episode V: The empire Strikes back tarnished by Phantom Menace? Was The Dark Knight Returns tarnished by Dark Knight Strikes Again? Was godfather I or II tarnished and ruined because of III? Oh, wait... no, they weren't? People can still go back and enjoy the unchanged (well, the case of Star Wars is different) originals and ignore the sequels/prequels? Hmmm... If I didn't know any better i'd think people are freaking out over nothing.

I was being sarcastic...

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 Post subject: Re: Nite Owl II Returns
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I was being sarcastic...


Yes, but a vast majority of people saying statement's like this are not being sarcastic, and I just used your quote as a springboard for a broader statement

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And now it's time for Feliciano to...........FIGHT :twisted: !!!

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Question... was Star Wars Episode V: The empire Strikes back tarnished by Phantom Menace? Was The Dark Knight Returns tarnished by Dark Knight Strikes Again? Was godfather I or II tarnished and ruined because of III? Oh, wait... no, they weren't? People can still go back and enjoy the unchanged (well, the case of Star Wars is different) originals and ignore the sequels/prequels? Hmmm... If I didn't know any better i'd think people are freaking out over nothing.


Ask me what I think of Star Wars right now, formulate the question in your head.

You got it ? If so, this is my answer as to what I think of Star Wars right now --> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EOl1DlgaDC4/S ... agarro.jpg

Now, about The Godfather? Or The Dark Knight Returns? Well, I can certainly admit it that I don't feel the exact same way about those as compared to how I feel about Star Wars.

Why is that ? Why is it that the subsequent work from The Godfather and The Dark Knight Returns doesn't my affect my opinion of either ? Why do I believe that Star Wars is the absolute worst sci-fi franchise right now ?

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I believe in Darwyn Cooke. I think at the very least they will be good in their own right, not as good, but far from crap thrown in the 25 cent bin. DC isn't putting some rookies on this to try and get their names out, they are putting the best they have on these, they want a good product because they realize that if it's not good... they won't get their money


Good doctor, you speak as if quality was a necessary condition to financial success ! You even presume that the editors at DC Comics actually give a crap about it as well :lol: !

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 Post subject: Final Edition
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Godziller66 wrote:
But yeah, it's not like they're going to burn all the copies of *shudder* The original *sigh* Watchmen.


If anything they'll probably end up releasing a new edition to coincide with the prequels.

I'm not aware that DC or its licensees published an edition to coincide with the release of the movie which obtrusively bore the dreaded NOW A MAJOR MOTION PICTURE banner in order to specifically tie the comic in with the film (the December 2008 hardcover version made only fleeting mention of the movie being in production on the inside dust jacket flap).

I contend that if they do choose to put out yet another repackaged edition which in any way makes obvious reference to the existence of the prequels as a deliberate marketing ploy, then this could very well prove to be the point at which Moore finally insists on his name being removed from both that and all subsequent printings of WATCHMEN. He's already publicly stated having considered doing this previously, and I'm fairly certain that he would be well within his rights to go through with it. Any gushing testimonials for the prequels from Gibbons and Higgins may in all likelihood only go to strengthen Moore's resolve in this regard; he's already apparently fallen out with Gibbons over the issue of WATCHMEN rights centring around the creation of spin-offs and I can readily envisage Moore deciding to wash his hands of the entire work altogether by refusing to allow it to be credited to him thereafter (he doesn't even possess a copy of WATCHMEN in any format himself anymore).

All of which would prove to be a great shame, obviously... but if there's one person who certainly won't play the corporate game and tow the party line, especially not for the sake of saving the company's face and maintaining workable relations with them, then that person is undoubtedly Alan Moore.


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I think my biggest fear is that these prequels are going to be good, because they still won't live up to Watchmen but nor will they won't be bad enough to completely dismiss.

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I think my biggest fear is that these prequels are going to be good, because they still won't live up to Watchmen but nor will they won't be bad enough to completely dismiss.


They will still be utterly unnecessary, and it won't make DC look any less bad.

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I was being sarcastic...


Yes, but a vast majority of people saying statement's like this are not being sarcastic, and I just used your quote as a springboard for a broader statement

oh ok. Glad we're on the same page.
We're pretty much making the same point think.

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Why is that ? Why is it that the subsequent work from The Godfather and The Dark Knight Returns doesn't my affect my opinion of either ? Why do I believe that Star Wars is the absolute worst sci-fi franchise right now ?


I'm assuming the point you're getting at is that prequels are bad.

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Good doctor, you speak as if quality was a necessary condition to financial success ! You even presume that the editors at DC Comics actually give a crap about it as well :lol: !


It's not necessary, but it helps... a lot. What do people buy more of: comics they hear are good or comics they hear are crap?

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Why is that ? Why is it that the subsequent work from The Godfather and The Dark Knight Returns doesn't my affect my opinion of either ? Why do I believe that Star Wars is the absolute worst sci-fi franchise right now ?


I'm assuming the point you're getting at is that prequels are bad.

I liked The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. ;)

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I liked The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. ;)


Well, I didn't use something like that seeing as how that whole trilogy is highly regarded, where as my examples were series with a highly valued entry... and a super crappy entry

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