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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:02 pm 
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That opening scene made me incredibly hopeful for the film. It was excellent, with so many hidden hints that I'm just finding as I'm watching it over and over again. I keep getting chills everytime it plays. It's a shame the rest of the movie couldn't keep up with the great standards set by the intro.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:24 pm 
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I had nerdgasm through the whole intro, I actually watched it 6 times today.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:23 pm 
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OK, I'm going to say it like this, as simply as I can:

Watchmen had the best opening titles in movie history.

Yeah, that's right I said it. Sure it's a bold claim. And yes there are lots of other opening titles that sent shivers up my spine. Who doesn't love to see the big S-symbol fly in the original Superman. And I have to agree with one of the previous posters who acknowledged that Casino Royale had an amazing opening sequence as well. Syriana had a cool opening title as well.

It's simply this though, no other opening title sequence I've ever seen has combined the level of detail, narration, emotion, and impact that this one did. Never. First of all, the music. What a perfect song. It's like Dylan wrote it for this sequence. The song has an amazing mix of melancholy and hope, and the tempo just kind of lets you know that you're in for a slow, methodical, game-changing experience. It builds an incredible suspense about what's to come. And whether you enjoyed the movie or not, there's very little debate that this opening sequence built up your anticipation for it.

Then we get to the imagery. It's just gorgeous. Every one of those shots is like a mini-movie in itself. The way that most of the shots are frozen with just a tiny semblance of movement -- a bullet firing, a skirt blowing -- its just a masterpiece.

Then we get to the content. This opening sequence weaves the Minutemen into every fabric of American society, it powerfully demonstrates the impact that these heroes had on our world, without saying a word. I've heard lots of complaints that Snyder wasn't faithful enough to the graphic novel, well let me tell you, this opening sequence was a graphic novel by itself and it was fantastic. The sequence manages to convey to the audience how the Watchmen world works, sets the backdrop for the movie, and does it with nothing but pictures.

You start off with Night Owl I preventing the murder of the Waynes, and in effect, preventing the creation of Batman. There's been some debate about whether or not this was the intended effect of that first shot... come on. Of course it was. Batman is the biggest movie superhero in the world right now, and this opening shot shows how Watchmen departs from the "super-reality" that today's audiences are so accustomed to. I don't think it's a coincidence that this was the first image in the opening sequence. It's as if to say... OK guys, put aside everything you thought you knew about superhero movies... make room for Watchmen.

You've got the heroes involved in every aspect of American life, political, pop culture, scientific. Dropping the A-bomb. Assassinating JFK. Assisting the moon landing. Hanging out with artists, pop stars, cultural icons.

I just can't remember any opening sequence ever conveying so much information, in such a visually stunning and emotional manner, ever in the history of film. I may be wrong, I haven't seen every movie ever made but I've seen quite a few. If anyone can suggest an alternative I'll gladly check it out and reassess. But as of right now, I am fully confident in saying that the Watchmen opening sequence will go down as the greatest of all time.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:35 pm 
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Am I the only one who hated the Casino Royale opening titles? The whole thing felt very cheap to me, anyone with flash could put it together.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:38 pm 
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AYBGerrardo wrote:
Am I the only one who hated the Casino Royale opening titles? The whole thing felt very cheap to me, anyone with flash could put it together.


I did. I've warmed up to it, but I thought they were disappointingly flat. A lot of people hated the ones in Quantum of Solace but I think they were superior, although I like "You know my name" slightly better than "Another Way To Die".

Does anyone know how they achieved the slow-mo in the credits? Seems like the camera movement goes faster than what is going on in the scene.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:25 pm 
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AYBGerrardo wrote:
Am I the only one who hated the Casino Royale opening titles? The whole thing felt very cheap to me, anyone with flash could put it together.


... are you sure you aren't thinking of the cheezy 60's version? As opposed to the 2006 one.




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AYBGerrardo wrote:
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Does anyone know how they achieved the slow-mo in the credits? Seems like the camera movement goes faster than what is going on in the scene.



Possibly the same bullet time technique they used in the Matrix trilogy?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:32 pm 
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I just love opening titles that show a history. This one and the titles for The Kingdom were both great, but Watchmen's definitely wins me over.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:50 pm 
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Thank you! I was thinking of the Kingdom, not Syriana.

And yes Casino Royale's opening titles were awesome. When Craig just starts walking towards the camera while Cornell is screaming "You know my name!!" That is spectacular. I've watched it dozens of times.

But nothing I've ever seen can compare to the Watchmen sequence. It's so far beyond anything else it's silly.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:26 pm 
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Opening titles in movies are truly a dying art in cinema.

The vast majority of movies released nowadays skip the credits, getting right to the action and I can respect that. Still, it takes some real cinematic talent to make a list of film titles entertaining and Snyder absolutely did it.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:39 pm 
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I think the opening and closing credits are a huge part of the movie experience. One lets you know you're about to see something special and the other reminds you how amazing the movie you just saw was. The closing credits in Kill Bill 2 are a great example of the latter. All filmmakers should take a hint from Watchmen on how to open a film. Wow, just wow.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:42 pm 
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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
Opening titles in movies are truly a dying art in cinema.

The vast majority of movies released nowadays skip the credits, getting right to the action and I can respect that. Still, it takes some real cinematic talent to make a list of film titles entertaining and Snyder absolutely did it.


I don't particularly mind the skipping of credit sequences per se... certainly, its better than just plastering them over whatever the opening scene is. And even some of the dedicated sequences can wind up being flat and boring (I'm looking at you, Quantum of Solace). But yes, we need more like this one.


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IceKeyHunter wrote:
Question: Is this the version of The Times They Are A-Changin' that's on the Soundtrack album? I have the original 3:13 Bob Dylan song, but I'd like to know where to get the longer version used in the opening titles.


I do believe so. I listened to it today, although I don't really like the song by itself, I can listen to it while the opening titles play. What they actually did was, they took the original song, like completely broke down a recording to the point that they could easily loop over and over, brought in a dude for some harmonica action, and used lyrics in different parts of the montage.


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WJK wrote:
IceKeyHunter wrote:
Question: Is this the version of The Times They Are A-Changin' that's on the Soundtrack album? I have the original 3:13 Bob Dylan song, but I'd like to know where to get the longer version used in the opening titles.


I do believe so. I listened to it today, although I don't really like the song by itself, I can listen to it while the opening titles play. What they actually did was, they took the original song, like completely broke down a recording to the point that they could easily loop over and over, brought in a dude for some harmonica action, and used lyrics in different parts of the montage.

Yes, but is the edited and looped version played during the titles the version available on the soundtrack album?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:00 am 
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No.

The 3:12 version, the original version, is what's on the album (according to iTunes).

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:56 am 
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snyder says in one of the many interviews posted that the longer version was essentially fabricated. edited, remixed, and even including a new harmonica player. i think they even cut and paste the 1st verse for a second go-round. though i could be wrong.


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In our theatre, there were some little chuckles as Mothman was being dragged to the asylum. Needless to say, after the Silhouette crime scene, they all shut the hell up.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:03 am 
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ROR-SHACK wrote:
Cool, I just noticed that in the bacgkround of the first Nite Owl shot, you can see Batman #1 (1940) hanging on the wall.

I wonder why they didn't use Superman instead. That would have been more appropriate.


Nite Owl: 'normal' human, gadgets, vehicle.

Batman: 'normal' human, gadgets, vehicles.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:31 am 
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DoomsdayClock wrote:
The film’s opening title sequence shows the alternate history of a world where superheroes exist.
http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/030709-watchmen-movie-opening-titles-video.php


No way I could resist that. Great sequence. (Besides, I embrace the concept of dramatic irony.) :)


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:26 am 
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Another great title sequence. A bit of a homage to Saul Bass, really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaLDyrun_Cc
Spielberg's Catch Me If You Can.

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shouldn't this be merged.....????

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