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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:51 pm 
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A bit more on topic: I personally think its silly to compare Watchmen to The Dark Knight, or even lump them together in the same group. In fact, I think its a bit funny that people are comparing a satire and the thing its satirizing.

True.

So, I'll clarify:

In my opinion Watchmen is a better movie than Dark Knight, and I enjoyed it a lot more than I enjoyed Dark Knight.

Oddly enough, I only know one person who hated Watchmen. But, usually when I hear they hated it, they hated it for being Watchmen. If I handed the same people the GN, they would have hated that too.

I haven't met anyone yet who loves the GN and hates the movie. I have met many who liked/loved the movie and never read the GN.


same. in fact, i know a ton of people who were intrigued by the movie/trailers enough to read the graphic novel, and still love both, since they use their brains and know it's based on a comic book and just don't look for splosions n other stuff.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:54 pm 
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Fanboys.....

When will you just accept that both movies are good, and not one is better than the other, but that we've had the pleasure to have seen two well respected and loved properties handled with respect and care by the film makers that have resulted in two intelligent and visually exciting films. Its always this back and forth constant whine about what's better, Rorshach vs Joker, Comedian vs Batman. Christ man, give it a rest. Enjoy the fact that we have two well made films based on a medium that we all enjoy and respect, cause after the commercial FAILURE of Watchmen (which I think is bullshit, but was expecting due to today's movie going audience) I doubt we're going to get anything nearly as thought provoking anymore. So quit the bitching and the comparing....

Both movies rule.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:26 pm 
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Snyder made some choice that don't sit well with some fans - but he made "Watchmen." I think fans truly appreciate that.


I don't think he made "Watchmen." He just got about as close as anyone could possibly get, which isn't very close. Still quite an achievement though. He didn't capture "Watchmen," but he sure gave it one hell of a try. I don't believe the thing that makes it "Watchmen" can really be captured in a film, even in 3 hours. The film has many flaws, but I don't blame Snyder for them. I blame Alan Moore for writing an amazing book that just so happened to be extremely uncinematic.

Based on my experience, I'd be willing to bet that if the haters you're talking about had read the book first, they would have loved it, and not hated the movie. You have read the book, and so you get it. But you shouldn't have to read the book to get it. It should speak for itself. I still haven't decided if it does speak for itself. It's hard for me to view it from the point-of-view of someone who hasn't read it. But my feeling is that it doesn't stand alone very well. But, again, I don't blame Snyder for that.

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Watchmen was never able to be captured on film even if it was made by Martin Scorsese or Steven Spielberg .This is one thing i will say the film has so much information and ideas being thrown at its audience it is hard to take in all at once let alone 3 hours.The graphic novel does this too but we can pace ourselves stop put the book down take a break stop and flip back to make sure we understood what we just read.The movie does not have this luxury of being able to stop or rewind itself i think this is a part of the problem for new audiences.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:39 pm 
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Keep in mind that when I say Snyder made "Watchmen," I mean we didn't get a Watchmen that was twisted into a standard Hollywood superhero clusterfuck.

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^ Okay. Yeah, I have nothing but respect for Snyder for not selling out. In fact, I would say that I respect this film more than I like it.

I don't think I'd call this a great film. But it's definitly a special one.

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I think its a fantastic film, that could stand alone if audiences just watch the fucking movie.

This movie...really isn't hard to follow. So it being too confusing is a load of bullshit. The movie is beautifully shot. Fantastically acted for the most part and so different to other comic book movies that I usually try to refrain myself from calling it a "superhero movie".

Did Snyder "pull it off"? Well, in terms of turning it into a movie without raping and disrespecting the source material, then yes, yes he did. If Zack apparently came as close as anybody could when it came to adapting Watchmen...then that basically means he did it. He turned as much of Watchmen as he could into a movie.

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While I understand where you guys are coming from, in general, never listen to the general public about anything entertainment-wise(there are exceptions:Dark Knight's awesome) People are just dim-wits these days, and I'm sad to say I'm getting used to it.

And on the bright side: Watchmen's going to make a killing on DVD sales. It's going to be a cult classic, I can almost guarantee. It has all the elements of any good one. Obscure,forgotten,hated,but still fucking awesome with a bunch of people who enjoy it. I think that's another thing I really liked about Watchmen, it just said "Fuck You" to the general movie-going public. Which I suppose wasn't the best way to begin ushering in a new era for brave film-making,but still. Now, that I think about it,it wouldn't really be brave if it was generally excepted would it?



And remember if it did well, there would've been a sequel.

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Funny how you state an opinion, and although it might seem as I'm attacking "fanboys" (which I kinda am, though I'm one myself) people deem it necessary to post little fun fun videos and respond in anger, and flame or whatever the message board slang is. Its rather funny. I was just curious what the need is to keep ranting on and on about which movie's better? Where does it go? I'm not entirely sure. But, that's ok. It really is. Ya see, I love the Watchmen movie, I've seen it 5 times in the theater, I kept wanting to go back and see it again, shit, its playing at a little rad theater in the city soon (San Francisco) and I'm seriously considering seeing it again. And I even pre-ordered the fucking Blu-Ray today. I can't really say which movie I enjoy more or what movie I think is better. Ya see, in the 80's it was both The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen that brought a more well known sophistication to the medium of comic books into the mainstream. Both were lauded and praised. And now, it's funny ya see, both The Dark Knight and Watchmen (IMO) have brought a sophistication to the medium of comic book on film. I respect both movies. I think some fans are weary or jealous of The Dark Knight's success, and maybe they wanted the same kind of recognition for Watchmen. I don't disagree. I understand if someone doesn't like The Dark Knight, or Watchmen, I get it. I don't give two shits and a fuck, but I get it. But as a community of fans, I think we should be happy with the movies we got. I'm pretty happy. And now because of these movies, every other comic based movie that's gonna be shat out, just won't fucking cut it. They won't. Did anyone see Wolverine?
Exactly. So flame and rant and blah and blah and hurm and hurm. Its cool, this is a message board, its not real life.
But still......
Both movies rule.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:35 am 
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Woah, woah! Guys!

What we should realise is...that my opinion is the only one the matters! So shut up! ;)

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Funny how you state an opinion, and although it might seem as I'm attacking "fanboys" (which I kinda am, though I'm one myself) people deem it necessary to post little fun fun videos and respond in anger, and flame or whatever the message board slang is. Its rather funny. I was just curious what the need is to keep ranting on and on about which movie's better? Where does it go? I'm not entirely sure. But, that's ok. It really is. Ya see, I love the Watchmen movie, I've seen it 5 times in the theater, I kept wanting to go back and see it again, shit, its playing at a little rad theater in the city soon (San Francisco) and I'm seriously considering seeing it again. And I even pre-ordered the fucking Blu-Ray today. I can't really say which movie I enjoy more or what movie I think is better. Ya see, in the 80's it was both The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen that brought a more well known sophistication to the medium of comic books into the mainstream. Both were lauded and praised. And now, it's funny ya see, both The Dark Knight and Watchmen (IMO) have brought a sophistication to the medium of comic book on film. I respect both movies. I think some fans are weary or jealous of The Dark Knight's success, and maybe they wanted the same kind of recognition for Watchmen. I don't disagree. I understand if someone doesn't like The Dark Knight, or Watchmen, I get it. I don't give two shits and a fuck, but I get it. But as a community of fans, I think we should be happy with the movies we got. I'm pretty happy. And now because of these movies, every other comic based movie that's gonna be shat out, just won't fucking cut it. They won't. Did anyone see Wolverine?
Exactly. So flame and rant and blah and blah and hurm and hurm. Its cool, this is a message board, its not real life.
But still......
Both movies rule.

I wasn't being a dick for the sake of being a dick. My condescending and mean tone was the same one you used in your post. I was trying to make a point and perhaps open your eyes a bit. Unfortunately, I don't think it worked.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:22 pm 
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No sir, please don't use a harsh tone on a message board towards me, whatever shall I do?

Anyhoo....


Don't be a dick.

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I bring my copy of Watchmen to school alot. Since the movie has come out, I actually get spoken to about it by other people besides my proudly nerdy comic book friends. I was sitting in my history class minding my own business, Watchmen is sitting on my desk. An guy in my class sees it, and decides to attack me with harsh words. I watch him silently while he goes on and on about "That Watchmen movie sucked" "It wasn't anything like you saw in the trailer" "It was just a bunch of shit thrown together" "It didn't make any sense" "It was boring as hell" "I can't believe I spent $7.50 on that peice of shit"... all the generic complaints. At the end, when I was sure he was through, I simply said, "Bitch." He was surprised to say the least, not at what I called him or how harshly I said it, but because he had simply never heard me speak before.

If someone doesn't like it, I really don't care, as long as they have stable reasons as to why they personally don't prefer it and don't decide to randomly attack me with stupid remarks, especially when I haven't provoked a fight.

I wasn't in the mood to go into a huge debate on whether it sucked or not, nor am I usually. It's stupid, and pointless, with people like the guy in my class.

I get this kind of shit alot, ya know, 'cause I'm the nerdiest little bitch, and alot of my interests are easy targets for idiots like the fool above. It's useless to fight. It's also unnecessary to call someone a 'dick' over the internet.

I'm a 15 year old girl, and I have realized this before many.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:39 pm 
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It's not cool to like the Watchmen movie. But, apparently, it is cool to like the Twilight sequel, which surpassed Harry Potter and Batman last night as the biggest midnight opening ever. EVER.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/batma ... hp?id=8855

This is why the mostly negative reaction to Watchmen from audiences actually makes me respect the film more.

God help us all. Transformers 2 is the highest grossing movie of the year, and New Moon has the biggest midnight opening ever. The end must truly be nigh.

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God help us all. Transformers 2 is the highest grossing movie of the year, and New Moon has the biggest midnight opening ever. The end must truly be nigh.

Yeah but people have been stupid forever so..

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:29 pm 
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Godziller66 wrote:
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God help us all. Transformers 2 is the highest grossing movie of the year, and New Moon has the biggest midnight opening ever. The end must truly be nigh.

Yeah but people have been stupid forever so..


Pretty much. Watchmen is a dialogue heavy, complex superhero film. Twilight is porn for 14 year old girls and sexually-repressed house wives. Of course Twilight is going to do well in the box-office.

This shit happens so many times that it really doesn't piss me off anymore. It just makes me sad.


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Godziller66 wrote:
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God help us all. Transformers 2 is the highest grossing movie of the year, and New Moon has the biggest midnight opening ever. The end must truly be nigh.

Yeah but people have been stupid forever so..


At least the blockbusters that made money back in the day were actually good movies(Jaws, Jurassic Park, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator etc.). The stupidity of the general audience gets worse and worse every year.


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