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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:35 am 
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Someone over at DVD Talk said they have already received the Director's Cut DVD and inside it contained an advertisement for other Watchmen products, most notably the 5-Disc Limited Edition.

Here is the information the user said was on the advertisement:

-Watchmen 5-Disc Limited Edition DVD/Blu-ray will be released in December 2009
-This release will only be available to purchase from December 2009 until June 2010
-Includes the cut of the film with Tales of the Black Freighter interspersed throughout and might include Under The Hood Documentary as well
-Includes commentary by Zach Snyder and Dave Gibbons
-Includes The Complete Motion Comic


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:41 am 
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That's it. If its true, that's the one I'm getting.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:45 am 
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That sounds amazing...
Cmon R2...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:55 am 
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5-DISCS? Holy Crap...

Well...time to save up $$$ and/or write down already what to put on your X-Mas Wish list.

If it's anything like Blade Runner's 5-Disc DVD Set (Also released by WB) it'll be around the area of $70.

http://www.amazon.com/Blade-Runner-Five ... B000K15VSA

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:11 am 
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Wow, nice. With that many discs, it should include all 3 cuts of the movie. Not that I'd ever go back to the theatrical cut, but it would be a nice bonus.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:34 am 
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And didn't Zack say the Freighter Cut wouldn't have any special features?

What the heck's going on here...


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I'm betting they'll split the movie onto two DVDs. They split the ultimate cuts of the LotR movies and Watchmen, with the extended footage and TotBF, will be approaching three and a half hours in length. So:

Disc 1: First half of the movie
Disc 2: Second half of the movie
Disc 3: Special features
Disc 4: Brand new special features?
Disc 5: Motion comic

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BlackDoomShadow wrote:
I'm betting they'll split the movie onto two DVDs. They split the ultimate cuts of the LotR movies and Watchmen, with the extended footage and TotBF, will be approaching three and a half hours in length. So:

Disc 1: First half of the movie
Disc 2: Second half of the movie
Disc 3: Special features
Disc 4: Brand new special features?
Disc 5: Motion comic

That sounds about right for the DVD release, but for the Blu-ray release that would still leave one disc. They'll be able to fit the whole film on one disc.

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My friend said the exact same thing, I have no idea what they'll do about that.

Are we absolutely sure it's five discs and not four?

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BlackDoomShadow wrote:
I'm betting they'll split the movie onto two DVDs. They split the ultimate cuts of the LotR movies and Watchmen, with the extended footage and TotBF, will be approaching three and a half hours in length. So:

Disc 1: First half of the movie
Disc 2: Second half of the movie
Disc 3: Special features
Disc 4: Brand new special features?
Disc 5: Motion comic


Someone else mentioned them splitting the movie into two parts for this release, but I don't see why that would be necessary. Gone With The Wind is almost 4 hours long and has been released on a 1-Disc DVD This movie could also be released on a 1-Disc DVD, no problem at all.

In addition, the Complete Motion Comic does have to be split onto two DVDs (see the standalone release for evidence of that).

My guess is that it would look more like this...

Disc 1: Watchmen: The Ultimate Cut (Includes Tales of the Black Freighter spliced into the Director's Cut of the movie, along with the Two Bernie Cutscenes)
Disc 2: Tales Of The Black Freighter/Under The Hood + Special Features carried over from the previous release
Disc 3: Either Theatrical Cut or Director's Cut + Special Features carried over from the previous release OR No Previous Cut of the Film, but an entire disc of new special features
Disc 4: The Complete Motion Comic Chapters I-VI
Disc 5: The Complete Motion Comic Chapters VII-XII

I hope it doesn't turn out like that. I don't mind having the previous releases included, but I would prefer more new material for this release that hasn't previously been available.


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I will be purchasing the director's cut blu-ray come this july and this limited edition. They should definitely call it the ABSOLUTE EDITION. Or at least the SUPERSPECIALAWESOME EDITION.

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kstublen wrote:
BlackDoomShadow wrote:
I'm betting they'll split the movie onto two DVDs. They split the ultimate cuts of the LotR movies and Watchmen, with the extended footage and TotBF, will be approaching three and a half hours in length. So:

Disc 1: First half of the movie
Disc 2: Second half of the movie
Disc 3: Special features
Disc 4: Brand new special features?
Disc 5: Motion comic


Someone else mentioned them splitting the movie into two parts for this release, but I don't see why that would be necessary. Gone With The Wind is almost 4 hours long and has been released on a 1-Disc DVD This movie could also be released on a 1-Disc DVD, no problem at all.


The Gone With The Wind 1-Disc DVD is a flipper, i.e. a double sided disc that you have to flip around in the middle of the film, which is the equivalent of it being split on 2 Discs. I hate those fuckers with a passion. The latter 4-Disc edition of GWTW has the film split onto 2 discs.

I don't know, i checked out the DVDtalk thread where this info has been posted and the user seems to be a reliable member of that community, but i'm still a bit skeptical about this. I guess it's because it just sounds to good to be true. :lol: Well, with the imminent release of the DC, we'll soon know more.

I could do without the motion comics though, i'm not a fan of motion comics in general and if i want to experience the original, i can always go to my bookshelf and reach for the comic. I'd settle for a release that includes the UC, the TOTBF release complete with Under The Hood and all the produced bonus content that isn't on the BR of the DC (basically the stuff that is on the european releases, i.e. viral videos, trailers).

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#1 defender wrote:
The Gone With The Wind 1-Disc DVD is a flipper, i.e. a double sided disc that you have to flip around in the middle of the film, which is the equivalent of it being split on 2 Discs. I hate those fuckers with a passion. The latter 4-Disc edition of GWTW has the film split onto 2 discs.

I don't know, i checked out the DVDtalk thread where this info has been posted and the user seems to be a reliable member of that community, but i'm still a bit skeptical about this. I guess it's because it just sounds to good to be true. :lol: Well, with the imminent release of the DC, we'll soon know more.

I could do without the motion comics though, i'm not a fan of motion comics in general and if i want to experience the original, i can always go to my bookshelf and reach for the comic. I'd settle for a release that includes the UC, the TOTBF release complete with Under The Hood and all the produced bonus content that isn't on the BR of the DC (basically the stuff that is on the european releases, i.e. viral videos, trailers).



as far as i am aware the limit for a dual layer DVD is about 215-220 minutes (i guess this because i have dvd's of tv shows with 5x 43 minute episodes plus a video based menu and logo's and stuff) gone with the wind is just over that (224m)

watchmen DC is 186m
TOTBF is 26m
that adds up to 212m
and that still leaves a couple of minutes for the 2 bernies, and that's assuming every second of TOTBF is un the UC. have the menu static and cut back on the trailers etc on the disc and it can be done i'm sure.

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I just can't imagine them splitting it onto two discs. Didn't realize that about Gone With The Wind being a flipper though, thanks for cluing me in. Still, that movie is longer than the Ultimate Cut of Watchmen will be. I imagine the DVD version will be able to fit it all on one disc (there was talk that not all of Tales Of The Black Freighter will be included in the Ultimate Cut) and I am positive they will be able to fit it all on one disc for Blu-ray. Like the above user said, I think they can fit the Ultimate Cut on there and will just stick the special features (aside from a commentary track from Snyder and Gibbons) on another disc.


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kstublen wrote:
I just can't imagine them splitting it onto two discs. Didn't realize that about Gone With The Wind being a flipper though, thanks for cluing me in. Still, that movie is longer than the Ultimate Cut of Watchmen will be. I imagine the DVD version will be able to fit it all on one disc (there was talk that not all of Tales Of The Black Freighter will be included in the Ultimate Cut) and I am positive they will be able to fit it all on one disc for Blu-ray. Like the above user said, I think they can fit the Ultimate Cut on there and will just stick the special features (aside from a commentary track from Snyder and Gibbons) on another disc.


a commentary track takes up practically no space at all, i reckon the ultimate cut will be no longer than 210m. (hell they could even skimp out on the creadits and have them roll really quickly just to save a minute or 2)

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AvatarIII wrote:
as far as i am aware the limit for a dual layer DVD is about 215-220 minutes (i guess this because i have dvd's of tv shows with 5x 43 minute episodes plus a video based menu and logo's and stuff) gone with the wind is just over that (224m)

watchmen DC is 186m
TOTBF is 26m
that adds up to 212m
and that still leaves a couple of minutes for the 2 bernies, and that's assuming every second of TOTBF is un the UC. have the menu static and cut back on the trailers etc on the disc and it can be done i'm sure.


I don't think you can measure the space something will take up on a DVD just by the length of the video that would supposedly fit onto it, that's not how it works. The amount of space that is taken up on the disc depends on many variables, not just the length of something.

Btw, do those TV Show DVD's you were talking about carry 5.1 sound or just stereo? While a commentary track won't make much of a difference, multi-channel sound will. And it's not just a question of whether it can be done, but if the quality will suffer under it or not. It's also a difference if we're talking about TVshows shot in widescreen or in fullscreen. Fullscreen ones aren't anamorphically coded, so they don't take up as much space as the ones that are.

Anyway, i'm not arguing if it can be done or not, i'm just saying it has been done (splitting a film across two discs) by Warner with films that are around 3h (for example on The Green Mile Special Edition). If it's gonna fit on one disc, then all the better. But since i plan on getting a PS3 by the end of the year, this discussion is moot for me anyway. :)

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a commentary track takes up practically no space at all, i reckon the ultimate cut will be no longer than 210m. (hell they could even skimp out on the creadits and have them roll really quickly just to save a minute or 2)


Snyder said the UC would run for about 3h 20 minutes (i'd guess it'll probably a few minutes shorter, since at the same time he announced the DC to have a run time of 3h 10 minutes, which as it turn out is now 3h 6 minutes), so don't worry. ;)

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#1 defender wrote:
AvatarIII wrote:
as far as i am aware the limit for a dual layer DVD is about 215-220 minutes (i guess this because i have dvd's of tv shows with 5x 43 minute episodes plus a video based menu and logo's and stuff) gone with the wind is just over that (224m)

watchmen DC is 186m
TOTBF is 26m
that adds up to 212m
and that still leaves a couple of minutes for the 2 bernies, and that's assuming every second of TOTBF is un the UC. have the menu static and cut back on the trailers etc on the disc and it can be done i'm sure.


I don't think you can measure the space something will take up on a DVD just by the length of the video that would supposedly fit onto it, that's not how it works. The amount of space that is taken up on the disc depends on many variables, not just the length of something.

Btw, do those TV Show DVD's you were talking about carry 5.1 sound or just stereo? While a commentary track won't make much of a difference, multi-channel sound will. And it's not just a question of whether it can be done, but if the quality will suffer under it or not. It's also a difference if we're talking about TVshows shot in widescreen or in fullscreen. Fullscreen ones aren't anamorphically coded, so they don't take up as much space as the ones that are.

Anyway, i'm not arguing if it can be done or not, i'm just saying it has been done (splitting a film across two discs) by Warner with films that are around 3h (for example on The Green Mile Special Edition). If it's gonna fit on one disc, then all the better. But since i plan on getting a PS3 by the end of the year, this discussion is moot for me anyway. :)


they are 16:9 widescreen, but only stereo, but they have 3 spoken language tracks and a short special feature

it's a moot point for me aswell since i already have a ps3. :P

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The DVD would probably be split over 2 discs for quality reasons, For a HQ transfer. Blu Ray on the other hand will easily hold the whole film. While i would love to have a large making of on one of the discs (like Dangerous Days for Blade Runner) covering everything from the creation of the comic, to the failed productions up to the release of the film, i can't see it happening.
One of the discs will be a digital copy and i hope that they don't just put the TOTBF disc in there cos that would be an awful double dip.
It's possible that they'll have the theatrical cut and directors cut on one disc with seamless branching.
Or at worse it could just be a box set of all the previous versions
1.Ultimate Cut
2.Directors Cut
3.Directors Cut Special Features
4.TOTBF
5.Digital Copy/Theatrical Cut

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(It kinda sucks that I already have "Black Frieghter/Under the Hood" and "Motion Comics". And now I have to get this...thus buying them again. Oye!)

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