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well i guess theres no pleasing some people unless zack personally goes to them and tickles their balls himself.



im happy for any questions he chooses to answer.
by the way ddc. any chance we can get a list of the questions he didnt answer?

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This was in another thread, but I'll repost here...



Yea!

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4321&Itemid=99

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Look, I agree, I don't think we're getting the squid.

I also agree it was pretty stupid to say he's absolutely keeping the ending, if there is no squid.

I also agree that it makes sense that Jon's universal energy research plays a part in the plot.

But...

This doesn't mean that the energy ribbon, or the Doc's booming voice, or any of that other crap from the Tse draft survived to the shooting script.

Yeah, I could be wrong. But can a director who pushes for Black Freighter to be weaved into the main movie, and who has made sweeping script changes to be more faithful to the GN keep that shitty Tse ending?

I guess I do have more faith than you, Vyn, but if you end up being right, I'll be as pissed of and dissapointed in Zack as the next fan.

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booyah! great news! Total Film (best UK film mag) have put the link on their website:
http://www.totalfilm.com/movie_news/new ... d_a_online!

wahey! it may or may not be because i posted the links on their forum...
still its publicity for the site! "meaty stuff"

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"I'm keeping the ending."

To what extent, right? Does Viedt live? If so, why won't he use the Squid? In every draft with the blue lighting plot device, Veidt's killed. I'm sorry, I truly and whole heartedly believe Zack's keeping the ending. You can't have one without the other.

I agree.

Sometime next week, I want to post a fan reaction to Zack's answers, and I want to cover it from all sides. I'll be pulling points made in the two Q&A threads, although I'm not naming names or quoting directly.

So your venting here, wheteher it's positive or negative may make it to that article.

That being said, keep the comments coming.

Plus, because I'm poll happy, I'm going to add one to each thread to get an overall feel for what you all thought.

Thanks.

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I think it's great that Zack took the time to answer the questions and I can appreciate that those who had their questions answered are feeling pumped. I would be too.

Ironically, I don't feel all that pumped about the quality of Mr Snyder's answers. Especially the Part II answers. I don't mean to dump on all of this, and I'm not really sure what would have satisfied me, but I feel seriously underwhelmed.

I know that Zackster has to be cagey and he doesn't want to tip his hand too early, but I feel for all the words he put out there for us, I don't see a lot of substance behind those words.

Sorry for being the bearer of bad news. Go ahead. Shoot me.

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Yes, there were no huge revelations, but I really like his answers. They weren't evasive or doubletalk. I'm not sure how he could have answered them better.

As far as the ending and all of that. Look, it's very obvious he knows what's at stake. He knows how big the backlash will be if he keeps the Doc Manhattan energy beams and has Veidt die. Forget integrety here. Do we think he's that clueless or stupid? I say no.

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I dunno, I should think that the squid and the CG tests would've been finished by now. Still, it's entirely possible that Snyder is still waiting on something.

Still, I entirely agree that Snyder will have totally failed unless

• 3 million people in NYC are brutally slain
• That which killed them is clearly alien
• Rorschach dies
• Adrian lives
• We see Rorschach's Journal in Seymour's grasp
• We don't see him open it

(By the way, that was done using the "List" button and the "[*]" button. Just discovered that).

Oh, and no offense taken about the crack that this is purely a fan site. To be honest, I consider it a compliment.

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I'd think the CG would be done after most of the shooting was finished.



Igive him credit and agree his answers were thoughtful, but I didn't parse anything that we hadn't already seen, heard, or read. I was expecting news and felt what we got was hype.

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What we really need is another on set leak from an extra telling us whether or not that NYC backlot has been/will be trashed ready for the insertion in post of a big old CG beastie. This 'cyber-scanning' that's been mentioned smacks more of enabling the visual vaporisation of a street full of people where they stand in the blink of an eye by a sudden blast of energy more than having broken, bloody bodies strewn about buried beneath chunks of broken masonry.

Yes, the final CG shots won't be completely finished until just before the movie is released. But I'm talking about the CG tests, the crude animations, texture maps and models that are done quickly and with virtually no budget. In big-budget tentpoles like this one, it's Standard Operating Procedure to do extensive tests on CG and make sure every VFX shot is carefully storyboarded. They plan it on a small scale so they save money doing it on a bigger scale, you see.

Not happening. The extra reports we've gotten so far have been pretty tight-lipped. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they know the ending and they aren't willing to spill the beans. I doubt anyone will.

No, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is no squid. If that's the case, the ending will be different and it won't be Watchmen. But then, I think we've all taken it as a given that whatever we see onscreen, it won't be the graphic novel. And it's still possible that the Ultimate Weapon will be conceivably alien in nature. As long as it kills millions of people, leaves some remains, could easily be mistaken for an extraterrestrial threat and brings about world peace, that's good enough for me.

But I think it's still a bit too early to come to that conclusion. There's still a lot about this that we don't know. To be honest, I'm a little glad Snyder passed on that question. After all, if we knew he was keeping the ending, what would we have to debate about?

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

The actors, the poster, the trailer, the music, the running time, the opening line, the costumes, the rating, the DVD extras, the merchandising, Alan Moore's lack of interest, whether it should be made at all...

Okay, let me put it this way:

There are two kinds of people who go into a movie based on an existing work. Those who already know the story and those who don't. And the two groups watch the same movies in two completely different ways. One is focused on how the story is going to unfold, and the other is focused on what the filmmakers put in and left out.

This approach is rather unusual in that it reconciles the two groups. We, as Watchmen readers, will be waiting for the ending just like the newcomers, but for different reasons. Most people walk into a movie without really 100% knowing how it's going to end. If they keep the ending we want, we won't have that state of mind or that potential for surprise walking in. So really, we win either way.

Snyder is keeping us guessing because that's the only way to really surprise us. Does that make sense?

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Perfectly.
But in this age of the AICN test audience preview screening scooper and their ilk, I think it's somewhat optimistic to think you'll be walking into a showing on general release still totally oblivious as to what 'surprises' are in store. Unless of course you are planning on abstaining from this website and the internet in general from about October onwards. Which might make proud moderating kinda difficult, I would think.