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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:37 pm 
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The only reservation I have about this film is that it might get to sidetracked focusing on the settings.
Some movies focus too much on the setting, as in THIS IS THE SEVENTIES, making sure that every moment you know that it's in that time instead of spending it on character development and the characters get lost. That's fine for films like Woody Allen's Zelig but this is something different.

This movie isn't about a superhero shaking hands with Kennedy. Or adding Andy Warhol into the scenes. Or Gaping at Richard Nixon posters. It's about the human condition.

Is anyone else afraid that, that will be lost in the glitzy spectacle or recreating an unrealized past? Or is it just a moot point.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:37 pm 
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It's a valid concern. Still, I get the impression that Snyder wants to set us into this world gently and gradually. That's why the electric cars are not all obvious and that's why he didn't cast multiple actors to play the same roles at different ages.

Remember his appearance at Comic-Con? He talked about that flashback cliche of zooming in on a character's eyes and using that as a transition into a flashback. He pretty much stated point-blank that he wouldn't be doing that.

No, I think Snyder has bigger priorities than flaunting the period set of the movie.

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Remember his appearance at Comic-Con? He talked about that flashback cliche of zooming in on a character's eyes and using that as a transition into a flashback. He pretty much stated point-blank that he wouldn't be doing that.


Semi-related to this thread, and semi-not:

As if by fate, I plopped in my Highlander DVD earlier today since I've been uber lazy/sick since getting back from Vegas. Anyhoo, Highlander benefits from having very good flashback transitions. Director Mulcahy was pretty clever in coming up with ways to venture across different time-spans without it seeming too forced or jarring to the viewer's senses.

Here's a few:

Connor watches pro wrestlers going at it in the ring and the images are intercut with images of a Scottish clan battle with men thrashing each other in a similar vein.

In the parking garage, the camera smoothly pans up into the ceiling and over the cars and comes out into what you think would be the next level of cars, but the camera is now actually overlooking a Scottish Village, all at the same speed of movement.

Connor reflects back towards his aquarium, the camera zooms in on the water, and then pans up and clears the top to now be looking from the top of the water at a Scottish moor.

Connor leans back against a rock in 1518 Scotland, and his face fades into the face of the Mona Lisa depicted on the side of building in which Connor walks past.

Connor speaks with Rachel and a falling bomb is heard momentarily before the scene's shot literally explodes into pieces with the bomb blast as the scene cuts to World War II Germany. This is the most jarring flashback transition in the film, but it's effective.

And finally the opposite of the aforementioned cliche. We see an overhead shot of Connor's mortally wounded body with darkness surrounding it. The camera pulls back, back, back, until only Connor's body is a tiny speck in a screen of black. The camera continues to pull back out of Connor's pupil/eye to reveal him driving.

Now there are some instances in Watchmen where flashback and flashforward panels are drawn with similar faces/imagery between time periods to smooth the transition, but it is not a universal device by any means. For a good chunk, Snyder will have to rely on his own devices. He could do a lot worse than the type of style employed in my favorite head-chopping film.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:33 am 
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I wouldn't mind if the flashbacks came out of sudden cuts...nothing like a michael mann's of course, but i guess that the very comic book pretty much made them very well...the way the images interserct is very cinematic already and in doc manhattan's flashbacks case, they're just there, ready. No need to add anything, I guess.

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As Ridley Scott once said, the trick of doing a period piece, is for it not to feel like a period piece. Bascially all the details are in the back ground, perhaps the music and even language or phrases are used to evoke the time period you are setting the story in. Then you ignore the fact that its an 80's or 50's or 19th century story, and just tell the story, allowing the audience to pick up the feel of the period of the set, costumes and language, and the details rather than have it shoved down their throats.

L.A. Confidential is an excellent example of this, you are so caught up in the story that it takes a while to penetrate exactly how well the 1950's as evoked in the film. This is done mainly through the use of music, costume, even some pieces of dialogue, using a piece of slang that is associated with that time period, and using it as if its just everyday. For me this is the best way of mounting a period piece.

Lets hope this is the way that Zack is doing it......

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:24 am 
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Excellent post. There's too much content in the Watchmen to lose your concentration to a heavy period feel. Again, it'll be a sign of how well Snyder has grasped the adaptation if he gets the balance right.

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Thank you Kingmob. There are far too many films set in a particular period that try far too hard. The details, the music, the language can all combine to produce what you need, without a caption rolling across the screen with a date, or cut shots to a calender etc.

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Darkweaver wrote:
As Ridley Scott once said, the trick of doing a period piece, is for it not to feel like a period piece. Bascially all the details are in the back ground, perhaps the music and even language or phrases are used to evoke the time period you are setting the story in. Then you ignore the fact that its an 80's or 50's or 19th century story, and just tell the story, allowing the audience to pick up the feel of the period of the set, costumes and language, and the details rather than have it shoved down their throats.

L.A. Confidential is an excellent example of this, you are so caught up in the story that it takes a while to penetrate exactly how well the 1950's as evoked in the film. This is done mainly through the use of music, costume, even some pieces of dialogue, using a piece of slang that is associated with that time period, and using it as if its just everyday. For me this is the best way of mounting a period piece.

Lets hope this is the way that Zack is doing it......

The 50's and the 19th Century are very distinct visibly. The 80's are a bit more subtle looking even when compared to today. Just look at the backlot photos, do they scream 80's? Not really. We need some visual guideposts or dialog early on that ensures everyone understands this is the 80's.

Sure, we shouldn't be beaten over the head, but it should be very clear to new audiences the drama is taking place in the heart of the cold war.

It's possible the opening credits montage may accomplish this.

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The use of costumes here is important. The 80s had a very distinctive visual style, and the music is often very easily identifiable as 80s. You use whatever is available and easily accessible to the audience to evoke the period.

I agree the background wouldn't be THAT much different, but there are ways to subtly show the period. I would much prefer a subtle approach than a huge montage at the start of the film opening with "TIME : 1985" or some such.

There is no need to dumb things down. That is a mistake too many filmmakers make, audiences appreciate it when the director and creative people don't assume they are morons and need to be spoonfed every detail.......and if they are too stupid to figure out the time period, then frankly most of the themes of the film are likely to further over their heads than Charleton Heston's rug over his........

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The costumes are an easy way to identify...and the hairs, don't u forget.

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