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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:23 pm 
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I think it should be stressed again that 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' ('who watches the watchmen?) wasn't invented by Alan Moore, rather the 6th century Roman satirist Juvenal (I studied him at school and uni, as far as I recall the quote is a reference to corrupt police who mug citzens on their way home late at night, the poem itself is a complete critique of life in the city).


Actually Juvenal's series of Satires was directed at all aspects of life in Rome of the day, but the particular passage is taken from his satire which refers specifically to the lax morals of roman women at the time, and the difficulty in stopping them from being adulterous or unfaithful...

Audio quid ueteres olim moneatis amici, "pone seram, cohibe." sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? cauta est et ab illis incipit uxor.

roughly translated :

I always hear the warnings of my comrades: "Lock her in, tie her up!" But who will guard the guardians? The wife plans ahead and starts with them....

The quote has become universal and is now used regarding all types of behaviour where one group guards or watches over another.....

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mrshortt1977 wrote:
I think it should be stressed again that 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' ('who watches the watchmen?) wasn't invented by Alan Moore, rather the 6th century Roman satirist Juvenal (I studied him at school and uni, as far as I recall the quote is a reference to corrupt police who mug citzens on their way home late at night, the poem itself is a complete critique of life in the city).


Actually Juvenal's series of Satires was directed at all aspects of life in Rome of the day, but the particular passage is taken from his satire which refers specifically to the lax morals of roman women at the time, and the difficulty in stopping them from being adulterous or unfaithful...

Audio quid ueteres olim moneatis amici, "pone seram, cohibe." sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? cauta est et ab illis incipit uxor.

roughly translated :

I always hear the warnings of my comrades: "Lock her in, tie her up!" But who will guard the guardians? The wife plans ahead and starts with them....

The quote has become universal and is now used regarding all types of behaviour where one group guards or watches over another.....


That's right it's been many years since I read The 16 Satires but, I stand corrected. It's actually very funny in it's proper context isn't it?

Damn I miss Juvenal like an old friend. My Sleaze Brothers and Bomb The Bass/Acid House observations stand, however!


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I dont know if this has been said yet but the incredibls. has a ton of similaritys with Watchmen. The court act the get superheros baned the killing of super heros and them joing at the end to fight. I think disny riped it from Watchmen and made a family version.


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Not to be completely asshole-ish but "irontrooper678" has been the definition of a facepalm.

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Back off, folks. The comparison may have been old, but it was valid.

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I can't say I'm a fan of any post that begins with "I dont know if this has been said yet".

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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
Back off, folks. The comparison may have been old, but it was valid.


It's more about things like the period in the middle of the first "sentence" than anything else, but his point as he worded it makes no sense to me, either.

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Acoording to my sister, this book is covered in Watchmen references. The characters can CD(shape-shift) into animals or characters, one of the main characters CDs into Nite Owl II.
Here are a few quotes:
"....Or the lab accident that turned Jon Osterman into Dr.Manhattan."
"...He was going to CD into something no one else had thought of. And two one of his favorite masked heroes was Nite Owl II, from the classic graphic novel Watchmen."
"He read it [Watchmen] so many times the novel's vividly colored pages and blood-soaked panels had faded."

This is the Cover:
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Exiles issue #78.

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Btw, Exiles is a very good comic and Morph (the guy dressed as Rorschach) is always making references to this kind of stuff.

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To add to some of the Lost connections that were made.

In the episode "Further Instructions", Locke uses a can of hairspray as a flame thrower like Rorschach.

Now, since his death has been revealed, it's possible this upcoming season will focus on "who killed John Locke" (assuming, which I do, that his death was a murder and not a suicide). Although this is a weak link to the Comedian...

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t3cii wrote:
Now, since his death has been revealed, it's possible this upcoming season will focus on "who killed John Locke" (assuming, which I do, that his death was a murder and not a suicide). Although this is a weak link to the Comedian...


I watched an episode of Murder, She Wrote once. Someone was murdered. Blatantly a Watchmen reference.


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AYBGerrardo wrote:
I watched an episode of Murder, She Wrote once. Someone was murdered. Blatantly a Watchmen reference.


;)


OK, maybe this one is better. Both Locke and Blake are pushed/thrown through a window of an apartment. Although Locke survives.

As for my previous theory, I did say it was a weak link. However, it's not totally a weak one. In the third season of Lost, a major revelation of the show was that some of the characters do manage to get off the island, and that their lives may not be better for it. It was also revealed that someone close to them had died, and from dialog spoken by one of the characters, he was not well liked, although one of them does go to the funeral. The mystery of the season was "who was in the coffin?". When it was revealed to be John Locke, the shows "man of faith" , the character who seemed destined to be involved with the island, and a character linked to other characters on the show, the big mystery created was then "why is he in the coffin?". How did he die? Was he murdered? If so, who killed him? And how did he leave the island, or why, given how convinced he was that they were all meant to stay on it? This is what elevates him to near Comedian status, as his death may tie the seasons story lines , maybe even the story of the entire show, together.

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AYBGerrardo wrote:
I watched an episode of Murder, She Wrote once. Someone was murdered.


;)


I think I saw that one.

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behemoth wrote:
AYBGerrardo wrote:
I watched an episode of Murder, She Wrote once. Someone was murdered.


;)


I think I saw that one.


Great show. You could almost smell the leaky catheter bags.

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i remember this cover in the 80s--http://www.brainwashed.com/btb/images/BTBbeatdis.jpg
im sure this started the smiley badge craze during the acid house era too.


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Wasnt there references in The Incredibles about why superheroes shouldnt wear cloaks?


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happynoodleboy wrote:
Wasnt there references in The Incredibles about why superheroes shouldnt wear cloaks?


Just chalk up the entire movie The Incredibles.

HEroes being outlawed, "Don't wear capes...", Fake Aliens built on an island, Rich villain trying to do "the right thing", Heroes start missing, a hero starts missing the old days and comes back, etc... I think there is actually a thread about the two.

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And yet Brad Bird denies even being influenced by Watchmen.
It's a pity too - he's a talented guy and I wish I could respect him more than I do.

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I agree, but I have even less respect for Tim "Let's have a former superhero try to blow up NYC for world peace" Kring. "Watchmen? What's that? Excuse me interviewer, I'm informing my staff to lie if asked about this ninety seconds ago."

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