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Is there anything about you that's not offensive?

Are you at least kind to animals?



At one time, I would have never thought it possible to have read too much into Watchmen. You have proved me wrong. Congratulations, Gourmet.

Was that really necessary, Brooklyn?

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

Yeah, Brooklyn, seriously not cool. Using that word just makes you sound ignorant and bigoted, which for your sake I will assume is hopefully not the case.

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"The light is taking me to pieces, and I'm afraid I just blue myself."

Sorry to offend, it's a quote from a movie "The Warriors", I know I had a discussion on here with some other guys who have seen that movie so I thought the referance to the Character, Ajax (who has very Comedian like views towards women and uses that phrase through out the movie) would fall on the ears of people who would catch it. I did not mean to offend anyone out there that is gay if I did I am sorry. If you can find it in your hearts to forgive me it would be greatly appreciated.

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I guess I really don't get that... am I the comedian in that or the woman?

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In Brooklyn's weak defense, I recognized it as a Warriors reference immediately (too esoteric for most to realize). Being close to Coney himself, I'm sure the good Dr. loves him some 70's NY gang violence.

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I did see him use a hamster as a football once, though.

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You can make your superhero a psychopath, you can draw gut-splattering violence, and you can call it a "graphic novel," but comic books are still incredibly stupid.

-Bill Watterson

Okay, Brooklyn apologized and is forgiven. Hopefully, we're all good with that.

Now can we get back on-topic or let this thread die?

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

None of them.

As far as I remember, this is the only time where the word "faggot(s)" occurs in WATCHMEN. Interesting...

Moore isn't exactly an anti-homophobic activist, however most of his work is influenced by the idea of freedom of sexuality and he also has done a campaigning against anti-homosexual legislation (AARGH - Artists Against Rampant Government Homophobia).

Oh, I had just figured you were trying to condemn me more

and in the future I'll think twice before using movie quotes with offensive tones

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Silhouette was healthily homosexual and I was sad that she was forced to leave the Minutemen in such a way. Captain Metropolis is another homosexual. I don't believe Metropolis and Hooded Justice ever had an affair, however. Hooded Justice, well -- his interest in "young men" made my eyebrows shoot up. Exactly how "young" were they? I felt Hollis' way pointing not only to homosexuality, but pedophilia as well. "Young men", probably not as prepubescents, but I was thinking along the lines of challenging the age of consent -- about 14 to 16. And this is probably why he was SOOOOO secretive about his sexuality in the first place.

As for the Crimebusters, well, Ozymandias is the epitome of the perfect "Aryan" in Nazi Germany standards -- blond hair, blue eyes, height of six foot, physically superiour, mentally superiour, white, blah, blah... Wouldn't it just be wonderful if we could rub homosexuality to the faces of Hilter and Himmler? But I seem to lean more to Ozy being bisexual, like Alexander the Great was himself, in his younger days. By the events of the novel, he became celibate to me...he was above such "gross physicality." Above all, he's a narcissist! To love oneself is the beginning of a life-long romance!

Rorschach...no, no one can take him! He's mine! Brwhahahaha! (gets back to normal) Hurm. Rorschach is a classic case of alexithymia! He's simply incapable of understanding, processing, or describing emotions (beyond such adjectives of "happy" and "unhappy"). Psychologically, alexithymics are very cognitive people -- few dreams, restricted imagination, lack of empathy, very logical, realistic thinking processes, detachment, interpersonal problems, etc. He, like some alexithymics, has chronic dysphoria, where he would have intense outburts of tears and rage; for example, "DO IT!" Things like physical and emotional arousal are the round pegs in his square holes, therefore he probably has little or no (or doesn't care to know) any sexual desire. He's...placid.

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CM and HJ definitely had an affair. It's right there in Sally's scrapbook, where Schexnayder points out that they act like "an old married couple" and that "they" are harder to cover for. Hooded Justice started spurning Nelson for the young men he beat up and Nelson was getting increasingly upset about it, and their whole entanglement threatened to break out into another scandal. As a gay man with a public persona in the 1940s, he would have had to be secretive regardless, which is why it seems that they made Sally his beard even before word of the rough stuff came out.

Yeah, I was pretty sure that this was canon knowledge that CM and HJ were togther for a little bit at least.

and sorry to beat a dead horse, but here is one of many examples of the quote I used from
"The Warriors"

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I guess that answers my second question.

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"can you dig it, suckassssssssssssssss"

Maybe next time you can use quotes as to show others it's not YOUR sentiments but that of someone else?

And that's right, the dudes were from vietnam. I also took it as they were almost his brothers, although I did question that there could have been some sexual goingson at one time, I later thought it was not possible because of the relationship they held (type of bond).

Finally, as was pointed out in the movie section that maybe the mask the comedian wears has a bad connotation because of pulp fiction.

Oh and read what Dave said about homosexuality in the book! That SHOULD clear up a lot of things!

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Do you mean his new "Watching the Watchmen" or The Absolute Edition? I haven't read WtW and I don't own the AE, so if possible could you summarize what he said for me?

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[NOTE: This post started its own thread before I merged it here. --"Curiosity Inc."]

Along with captain metropolis! I was wondering because I read that they had a relationship secretly. People say he was gay because of after the comedian tried to rape the silk spectre 1 hooded justice started to beat up the comedian and the cedian said " so this is what gets u hot?" but I always took that as just a way to distract him and stop him rather than telling him yea I know ure gay. And the part where it says he beats up men... Does that mean he was gay or just liked beating up men??

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...Ozzy here is gonna be the smartest man on the cinder.

He liked beating up young men. And he was in a relationship with Nelly (Metropolis).

Both Hollis and Sally Jupiter mention it in their end-chapter meta texts.

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Hollis doesn't mention anything about Nelson Gardner or Hooded Justice being gay in the excerpts from Under The Hood. He's genuinely curious if Hooded Justice was Rolf Muller from the New Frontiersman story, and if the dead body discovered was Muller and who killed him, but that's it. Even Adrian doesn't know for sure if Eddie Blake found and killed Hooded Justice. (Adrian says the government wanted to find Hooded Justice.)

It's clearer in the letter in Sally's scrapbook. Lawrence specifically says "It's getting harder to cover for Nelly and H.J." He even says one of the "boys" will eventually go to the police with bruises and a story and it will be "the Silhouette fiasco all over again." Blake calls Nelson Gardner "Nelly" at the Crimebusters meeting. (Although why Gardner would want Blake at the meeting is anyone's guess.)

One thing about WATCHMEN as a mystery is it can be hard to figure out who knew what and when. Blake is sharp enough to know Hooded Justice is into S&M and that Jon is turning into an "out of touch flake" in less than a minute. But did he know Nelson Gardner and Hooded Justice were "involved"?