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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:51 pm 
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rustyjp wrote:
he never did,did he? :) :) :D


No, I guess I never did. So many threads.

But it seems unnecessary, really. Just read the comic with that notion in mind and the theme becomes overpowering.

FATHER:
Jon... powerful and distant. Kills with detatchment.

SON:
Adrian... has a plan to save mankind, but ultimately has to get the FATHER (Jon) to buy in. His plan involves, as did Jesus' an evasion of moral judgement... asking god to exclude the moral judgement (holy ghost). Which leads to Jon killing Walter... Adrian even ends up with stigmata and speaks of taking on the burden of a horrible crime to save humanity... a rather twisted view of martyrdom, but still... He wears not a laurel, but a halo... similar to a crown even if not of thorns.

HOLY GHOST
Rorschach... When he imagines the dregs of humanity looking up to him begging "Save us." He looks down an whispers, "No." He denies even his own humanity, seeking to be the personification of a harsh morality.

These three counterpoints are thematically represented throughout.

Though no one "forces" Jon to do anything. He simply doesn't have a will, so anything that he's "asked/told/suggested/coerced" into is just peachy with him.

Which is what makes him such a fascinating character. A god with unlimited powers... and no will whatsoever. Gives a spin on the prayer "thy will be done."

Rather like the twist on Rorshach who is the moral part of the trinity at play here... He has the absolute black and white morality of a conservative Christian...

...but he's an atheist.

Moore loves irony.

The omnipotent man with no will.
The absolute moralist with no god.
The man who wants to save the world... but who is a manipulating sociopath.


Fun stuff.


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Um...wow. Yeah, what he said. :D

I also find the bit just before Jon disappears forever to be like a "son" coming to his "father" for wisdom.

"I did the right thing, right? In the end?"

"Nothing ever ends, Adrian." (poof)

Instead of comforting the son, the father, in all of his eternal omniscience, disappears. Similar to, "Father, why have thou forsaken me?"

Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:16 pm 
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minuto27 wrote:
Just a thought.


And a good one.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:49 am 
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Vynson wrote:
rustyjp wrote:
he never did,did he? :) :) :D


No, I guess I never did. So many threads.

But it seems unnecessary, really. Just read the comic with that notion in mind and the theme becomes overpowering.

FATHER:
Jon... powerful and distant. Kills with detatchment.

SON:
Adrian... has a plan to save mankind, but ultimately has to get the FATHER (Jon) to buy in. His plan involves, as did Jesus' an evasion of moral judgement... asking god to exclude the moral judgement (holy ghost). Which leads to Jon killing Walter... Adrian even ends up with stigmata and speaks of taking on the burden of a horrible crime to save humanity... a rather twisted view of martyrdom, but still... He wears not a laurel, but a halo... similar to a crown even if not of thorns.

HOLY GHOST
Rorschach... When he imagines the dregs of humanity looking up to him begging "Save us." He looks down an whispers, "No." He denies even his own humanity, seeking to be the personification of a harsh morality.

These three counterpoints are thematically represented throughout.

Though no one "forces" Jon to do anything. He simply doesn't have a will, so anything that he's "asked/told/suggested/coerced" into is just peachy with him.

Which is what makes him such a fascinating character. A god with unlimited powers... and no will whatsoever. Gives a spin on the prayer "thy will be done."

Rather like the twist on Rorshach who is the moral part of the trinity at play here... He has the absolute black and white morality of a conservative Christian...

...but he's an atheist.

Moore loves irony.

The omnipotent man with no will.
The absolute moralist with no god.
The man who wants to save the world... but who is a manipulating sociopath.


Fun stuff.



Very nice.

Also, Adrian fully follows through with teleportation technology...developing and using it...Jon just sort of goes oh poof. It never really occured to me to tell anyone else how to.

So Adrian WOULD be a Prometheus to Jon's Titan here (I got my Greek mythology right, rite?) ...apart from the plan he then implemented using Jon's teleportation science now depends upon people not knowing about said science of teleportation.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:35 pm 
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WJK wrote:
Except that Hitler had several sexual relationships - his niece, then Eva Braun, then Satan.


I think Maria Reiter is the only woman who ever claimed to have had sex with Hitler, and only once. He was obsessed with his neice, Geli Raubal, and according to the accusations of Otto Strasser, actually had the girl defecate upon him as he was a scatophile, but supposedly never had sex with her.

There were other supposed lovers but nothing substantiated (though how one substantiates these things, I don't know. He married Braun the day before their suicide (though they had know each other since 1929), still some speculate that he died a virgin. I rather doubt it.

Ozy on the other hand... there is no indication in the comic of any sexual or even intimate relationship with anyone.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:44 pm 
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EyeTriangle wrote:
So Adrian WOULD be a Prometheus to Jon's Titan here (I got my Greek mythology right, rite?)


No. Prometheus was a Titan. He stole fire from Zeus.

However, it does bring up the Promethean Cab Company, bringing light and contrived symbolism to the world... As a cab takes you where you want to go... and the desire of Ozymandias to lead men toward Utopia... though stealing fire from Zeus (Jon) seems a motif one might better ascribe to Snyder's ending rather than Moore's.


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