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Obviously someone like him would be extremely unlikely to be a dad but if he was....he would probably be a bad dad wouldn't he?

I'm thinking this because we know his father left before he was born and yet he respects his dad and has this idea that his dad went and fought the Nazis or something like that. He doesn't see his dad as a bad father even though his dad never looked after him.

So does this mean that if Rorschach were actually a father, he would basically ignore his kid because he'd just be out fighting crime all the time? Would he leave his kid alone, and therefore basically be a bad dad?

His mother certainly didn't really treat him that well but it seems like he wouldn't see it as bad for a dad to not be around for the child if he's out fighting crime. It is bad to leave your kid like that though. :(

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It would depend entirely on the circumstances that led to Rorschach somehow having a child.

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It would depend entirely on the circumstances that led to Rorschach somehow having a child.


How so? How would he act differently towards the child given different circumstances?

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Frankly, I'm scared at the thought of someone like Walter Kovacs procreating.

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I don't think Rorschach would necessarily be a bad dad but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be a good dad either. I mean he probably wouldn't take his kid to the park and bond with him and teach him life lessons. Could you picture that!? COULD YOU!!!??? Just look at this picture if you don't know what I'm talking about.

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Holy crap, that poor baby.

This is an interesting question. On the one hand, he's dedicated to bringing justice to the world and doesn't seem like he'd have time for kids; on the other hand, the scene with his landlady would seem to suggest that he has sympathy for kids and doesn't want any child to turn out the same way he did. Trying to balance fatherhood with his vigilante duties would certainly require some kind of compromise, and we all know Rorschach's stance on that.

Of course, Rorschach wouldn't father a child; it's not part of his character. But if he did, I suspect he'd put it up for adoption, knowing that he'd never be able to care for it.

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Raine Summerfly wrote:
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It would depend entirely on the circumstances that led to Rorschach somehow having a child.


How so? How would he act differently towards the child given different circumstances?


Because the circumstances would dictate the mother's presence or lack of, the mother's identity, the child's age, Rorschach's status as a vigilante, when the hypothetical childbearing takes place, etc.

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Holy crap, that poor baby.

This is an interesting question. On the one hand, he's dedicated to bringing justice to the world and doesn't seem like he'd have time for kids; on the other hand, the scene with his landlady would seem to suggest that he has sympathy for kids and doesn't want any child to turn out the same way he did. Trying to balance fatherhood with his vigilante duties would certainly require some kind of compromise, and we all know Rorschach's stance on that.

Of course, Rorschach wouldn't father a child; it's not part of his character. But if he did, I suspect he'd put it up for adoption, knowing that he'd never be able to care for it.


i also suspect he'd act like a sort of guardian angel to the kid, possibly never revealing himslef to the kid at all just being a friendly but creepy stranger. he'd certainly go out of his way to protect them from harm, but i suspect he would be extemely strict to them if he ever caught them doing something he didn't agree with, graffiti or drugs for example.

more likely than being a natural father though, if he ever found a homeless kid who ran away from a nasty family, or a door step baby or something would he take them in and be like a father?

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I think he'd be the type of father who whip the kid with a belt if a rule was broken. And there would be a LOT of rules in the Kovacs household. He'd basically be a redheaded version of JEH's character from Winged Creatures, minus the porn-'stache.

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You know, I read the thread title and started giggling (probably just because I've read a number of fanfics covering this very thought, and it just tickles my funnybone anyway)...and then Godziller66 posted this:

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...And now I'm sitting here laughing my ass off. :lol: That...that's a classic, right there. Love that poor baby's expression. (Couldn't you just see him handing her over to Dan? "Diaper is full, Daniel. Good luck." Because you know he would. And he'd be snickering quietly to himself as he walked away.)

Would he be a good dad? Well, once my brain stops exploding over the concept of GN!Rorschach getting intimate with someone...Well, wait, I take that back. Sure, he's absolutely mentally scarred by Sylvia's reaction when he misunderstands and tries to protect her. Sex turns into this weird scary thing you do for money (his nightmare he describes in his file only adds to the fear and confusion). The Blair Roche case makes things worse; it makes him want to walk away from all the parts of humanity he considers ugly. Lust, of course, is on that list. (As is, I think, being human at all, actually.)

But after the Comedian dies, he seems struck by the loneliness of their lives.

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(Also, I think this key to why Rorschach seems to have a certain soft spot/blind spot when it comes to the Comedian -- he sees him as being the same sort of outcast as himself. No one -- police, civilians, bad guys, the other heroes -- no one likes Rorschach. (I don't think it ever occurs to him until just before the handshake that Dan does care about him.) No one likes the Comedian, either. The only people at his funeral seem to be there out of obligation and duty, not because they ever really felt friendship with him. Sally doesn't even go. And that's the Comedian's own fault.

I think Rorschach feels compelled to continue fighting the good fight no matter what it costs him, but he's beginning to wonder about that cost.

Later, as jbkovacs86 mentioned, you can see him soften up when he looks at Mrs. Shairp's kids. I think every time he sees a child, he sees himself and all the pain of his childhood, and can't bear to see that repeated. (He tells Dr. Long earlier, "Thought of little child, abused, frightened. Didn't like it. Personal reasons.")

He actually chooses not to bicker with Dan and makes an effort to apologize for being a pain in the ass.

Well, I didn't mean for this to get so long -- what I'm saying is, I think he was starting to come back around to his own humanity. (And I think it's a tragic part of what broke him at Karnak -- he'd become more open to compassion again, and the people killed in New York were his people, moreso than any one else there. Dan also seems nice but insulated, Laurie "doesn't know anyone but superheroes", Jon...well, you know. Adrian says he cares, but I don't believe he really does.) I think he spent years armored up and crazy, finally having an epiphany that sets him on the way home, only to have his heart and mind broken again.

If he'd somehow survived Karnak...I think he might have found his way again. I think he would have made an effort to have some friends...not wanting to end up like the Comedian. Eventually, I think, he might have had a shot at having a family. (He'd have to re-adopt some more conventional hygiene habits first, though...) Maybe he would have a reaction -- delayed -- like Laurie's, in just wanting to feel how sweet it is just to be alive.

I don't think he ever found out that Laurie was the Comedian's daughter. I would have loved to have seen his reaction to that one.

Yeah, I know, hell of a long ramble, and I still don't answer the real question. Okay -- yes, I think he'd be a good dad. Because I think it'd take him forever and serious amounts of introspection and healing before he ever got to that spot.

And because he'd have Dan to bounce fatherhood thoughts off of. :lol:

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I think he would make an effort on fatherhood but would probably run into more then a few rough spots. I highly doubt he would quit being Rorschach for anyone and I don't see him getting romantically attached to anyone either but you have to consider the alternative forms a getting a kid, adoption for example.

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Funny situation. Sounds unbelievable. Impossibly true.

Of course, Rorschach would not be one to settle down. But to be Rorschach and a father, that's a whole 'nother story. On one hand, if he were to have a child, its gender would create a huge influence. If his child were to be a girl, the word "whore" would never stop leaving his mouth once she turns thirteen. But the Blair Roche factor would come into play. A young girl being raped, murdered, butchered and finally fed to dogs would instantly create some kind of need for protection in him. If the child of Walter Kovacs were to be a boy, I don't think that he would, for one second, have a feel to do anything for him. Most likely, the kid would raise himself, not really having the moral support from his mother, and possibly just become a repeat of Kovacs' younger years. In other words, I really don't know.


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I don't think Rorschach would necessarily be a bad dad but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be a good dad either. I mean he probably wouldn't take his kid to the park and bond with him and teach him life lessons. Could you picture that!? COULD YOU!!!??? Just look at this picture if you don't know what I'm talking about.

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Frankly, I'm scared at the thought of someone like Walter Kovacs procreating.


lol. Well a lot of girls on this board would probably have his babies if they could. :oops:

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I don't think Rorschach would necessarily be a bad dad but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be a good dad either. I mean he probably wouldn't take his kid to the park and bond with him and teach him life lessons. Could you picture that!? COULD YOU!!!??? Just look at this picture if you don't know what I'm talking about.

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Oh man that picture made me lol so hard. The expression on that kid's face is just like "HOLY SHIT!" XD

Anyway, well, I can't picture Rorschach in his Rorschach outfit, taking his kid to the park....no. o_o However as Walter Kovacs I could see that.

I have a feeling that if he did have a kid, he certainly wouldn't let the kid know about his Rorschach identity. I guess he might eventually, I don't really know.

It's just hard to imagine how he would really look after the kid, especially since he didn't see his dad as a bad person for leaving him to do what he thinks was fighting justice. I don't think he really knows why his dad left though. He just thinks he went to fight justice against the Nazis.

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Holy crap, that poor baby.

This is an interesting question. On the one hand, he's dedicated to bringing justice to the world and doesn't seem like he'd have time for kids; on the other hand, the scene with his landlady would seem to suggest that he has sympathy for kids and doesn't want any child to turn out the same way he did. Trying to balance fatherhood with his vigilante duties would certainly require some kind of compromise, and we all know Rorschach's stance on that.

Of course, Rorschach wouldn't father a child; it's not part of his character. But if he did, I suspect he'd put it up for adoption, knowing that he'd never be able to care for it.


i also suspect he'd act like a sort of guardian angel to the kid, possibly never revealing himslef to the kid at all just being a friendly but creepy stranger. he'd certainly go out of his way to protect them from harm, but i suspect he would be extemely strict to them if he ever caught them doing something he didn't agree with, graffiti or drugs for example.

more likely than being a natural father though, if he ever found a homeless kid who ran away from a nasty family, or a door step baby or something would he take them in and be like a father?


Yeah that is true I think....it's likely that Rorschach is less likely to raise the kid but I think it would be hard for him to never watch over the kid from a distance. I feel like he might still watch the kid grow up and show up if someone tries to hurt his kid. Like he'd be watching like a guardian angel as you say.

I can't imagine how he'd react if his kid grew up to have bad morals though.

Haha....I still remember a few years back when some random stranger showed up to protect me from some bullies. XD

Anyway, I agree with what the other person said about him possibly putting it up for adoption also but I just wonder if he could let himself totally go from the child and not at least keep an eye on his kid from afar.

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Funny situation. Sounds unbelievable. Impossibly true.

Of course, Rorschach would not be one to settle down. But to be Rorschach and a father, that's a whole 'nother story. On one hand, if he were to have a child, its gender would create a huge influence. If his child were to be a girl, the word "whore" would never stop leaving his mouth once she turns thirteen. But the Blair Roche factor would come into play. A young girl being raped, murdered, butchered and finally fed to dogs would instantly create some kind of need for protection in him. If the child of Walter Kovacs were to be a boy, I don't think that he would, for one second, have a feel to do anything for him. Most likely, the kid would raise himself, not really having the moral support from his mother, and possibly just become a repeat of Kovacs' younger years. In other words, I really don't know.


Well, I would really hope that he wouldn't see his daughter as a whore if he had a girl. I mean he should be smart enough to realize that not all females are whores.

For some reason this reminds me of a few months ago when my dad and I were in the car and this girl was crossing the road downtown and I said something about her....forget what I said(I think it was something about what she was wearing and wondering if she was cold since it was February or something). And my dad was just like "That's probably a whore, Kathleen." I think I responded by saying something like "Just because she's dressed like that doesn't make her a whore. lol."

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You know, I read the thread title and started giggling (probably just because I've read a number of fanfics covering this very thought, and it just tickles my funnybone anyway)...and then Godziller66 posted this:

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...And now I'm sitting here laughing my ass off. :lol: That...that's a classic, right there. Love that poor baby's expression. (Couldn't you just see him handing her over to Dan? "Diaper is full, Daniel. Good luck." Because you know he would. And he'd be snickering quietly to himself as he walked away.)

Would he be a good dad? Well, once my brain stops exploding over the concept of GN!Rorschach getting intimate with someone...Well, wait, I take that back. Sure, he's absolutely mentally scarred by Sylvia's reaction when he misunderstands and tries to protect her. Sex turns into this weird scary thing you do for money (his nightmare he describes in his file only adds to the fear and confusion). The Blair Roche case makes things worse; it makes him want to walk away from all the parts of humanity he considers ugly. Lust, of course, is on that list. (As is, I think, being human at all, actually.)

But after the Comedian dies, he seems struck by the loneliness of their lives.

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Is that what happens to us? A life of conflict, with no time for friends...so that when it's done, only our enemies leave roses?


(Also, I think this key to why Rorschach seems to have a certain soft spot/blind spot when it comes to the Comedian -- he sees him as being the same sort of outcast as himself. No one -- police, civilians, bad guys, the other heroes -- no one likes Rorschach. (I don't think it ever occurs to him until just before the handshake that Dan does care about him.) No one likes the Comedian, either. The only people at his funeral seem to be there out of obligation and duty, not because they ever really felt friendship with him. Sally doesn't even go. And that's the Comedian's own fault.

I think Rorschach feels compelled to continue fighting the good fight no matter what it costs him, but he's beginning to wonder about that cost.

Later, as jbkovacs86 mentioned, you can see him soften up when he looks at Mrs. Shairp's kids. I think every time he sees a child, he sees himself and all the pain of his childhood, and can't bear to see that repeated. (He tells Dr. Long earlier, "Thought of little child, abused, frightened. Didn't like it. Personal reasons.")

He actually chooses not to bicker with Dan and makes an effort to apologize for being a pain in the ass.

Well, I didn't mean for this to get so long -- what I'm saying is, I think he was starting to come back around to his own humanity. (And I think it's a tragic part of what broke him at Karnak -- he'd become more open to compassion again, and the people killed in New York were his people, moreso than any one else there. Dan also seems nice but insulated, Laurie "doesn't know anyone but superheroes", Jon...well, you know. Adrian says he cares, but I don't believe he really does.) I think he spent years armored up and crazy, finally having an epiphany that sets him on the way home, only to have his heart and mind broken again.

If he'd somehow survived Karnak...I think he might have found his way again. I think he would have made an effort to have some friends...not wanting to end up like the Comedian. Eventually, I think, he might have had a shot at having a family. (He'd have to re-adopt some more conventional hygiene habits first, though...) Maybe he would have a reaction -- delayed -- like Laurie's, in just wanting to feel how sweet it is just to be alive.

I don't think he ever found out that Laurie was the Comedian's daughter. I would have loved to have seen his reaction to that one.

Yeah, I know, hell of a long ramble, and I still don't answer the real question. Okay -- yes, I think he'd be a good dad. Because I think it'd take him forever and serious amounts of introspection and healing before he ever got to that spot.

And because he'd have Dan to bounce fatherhood thoughts off of. :lol:

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I'm making a new post to reply to this since my old post was going weird when I tried to edit it to add more and stuff.

Anyway, yeah, I do think that he was starting to come a bit more into humanity by the end.....and anyway even though in some ways it's hard to imagine Rorschach ever even having sex to end up a dad it's not like all sex is just lust or something. Sex for love is very different and if he was becoming more open to having friends and such I do think it could potentially be possible for him to have a relationship with a girl that might lead to that at some point. And he's not too old to be a dad.....for a woman over 40 is probably usually too old to have kids but for a guy, nope. My dad was in his 40's when he had my little sister and I and he didn't have any children before us.

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Frankly, I'm scared at the thought of someone like Walter Kovacs procreating.


lol. Well a lot of girls on this board would probably have his babies if they could. :oops:

I know. This has been a constant source of discomfort for me and it makes me fear for the mental stability of some of our users.

But then, I figure, we all wouldn't be here unless we were just a little bit crazy.

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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
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Frankly, I'm scared at the thought of someone like Walter Kovacs procreating.


lol. Well a lot of girls on this board would probably have his babies if they could. :oops:

I know. This has been a constant source of discomfort for me and it makes me fear for the mental stability of some of our users.

But then, I figure, we all wouldn't be here unless we were just a little bit crazy.


LOL. XD

Well when Rorschach is as awesome as he is....he will have fangirls.

Although there are a lot of girls who like bad guys and stay with guys who beat the crap out of them. Rorschach wouldn't do that to a lady. He also wouldn't cheat. I don't think it's so strange to be attracted to him.

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Most likely not. Rorschach is a psychopath but he's not portayed as a sterotypical psychopath like we see today. Being a father wouldn'tve been a good idea. Also if he's trying to protect the city, either he wouldn't have time to, or he'd say "fuck the baby" and go storming out into the night.

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*imagines how Rorschach would react if he had a daughter and she becomes a teen and guys start hitting on her* o_o He's going to own those guys....

Anyway, someone mentioned this to me earlier....but what if Rorschach didn't have a biological kid but found a kid alone and abandoned on the street?

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Anyway, someone mentioned this to me earlier....but what if Rorschach didn't have a biological kid but found a kid alone and abandoned on the street?

With all the homeless men, women and children in New York, I'm sure that's happened more than once. And given that he's still living alone, I think it's a safe assumption that he'd pass them by without a second look.

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