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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:56 am 
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I believe the "Manhattan Energy" aspect of the film is what really defines the film as a whole vs the book. It obviously alters the ending, but the fact it downplays the comics by not having this new energy already accessible by the public is where the line is drawn. There are no electric cars in the future, nor do we get the notion that this 'new technology' put Hollis's car shop out of business, or more appropriately, focuses his forte on obsolete models ;)

I'm more bothered the film just takes two steps back and dumbs down the past down rather than the difference in endings.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:09 am 
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The alien plan from the novel was much better, the overall idea of Ozymandias' plan resonates with humanity's history, sure, there's a weird and creepy gigantic squid, but the symbolism is very powerful and meaningful.


The movie symbolism is "more powerful and meaningful". Think about it. The world is forced to unite against a being most consider to be god-like. As opposed to some "alien monsters" that only appreared once and show no trace of being around again. Manhattan was well known. Some liked him, some didn't. Some worshipped him, some feared him. That's a much more intelligent target that fake monster aliens.



See, I disagree. I don't like the notion that we are ruled by fear. This forces everyone to play nice or else Dr. Manhattan will get you. Sure, it has it's Godlike qualities and simplifies the idea and number of religions to 1, but it's still based on living in fear and being forced to obey.

With the aliens you had the nation, the world, inhabitants of earth, banning together. Unity. Peace. Earth as one, and for the right reasons, even though built upon a lie. Quite genius. So brilliant that the squid ending it isn't possible, and in return seems stupid and silly. Oh wait, that's why it works in the comic medium... That's why it's so damn unique compared to typical conspiracy theories.


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With the aliens you had the nation, the world, inhabitants of earth, banning together. Unity. Peace. Earth as one, and for the right reasons, even though built upon a lie. Quite genius.


How is that different than everyone banning together against Manhattan? Seems the same to me.


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With the aliens you had the nation, the world, inhabitants of earth, banning together. Unity. Peace. Earth as one, and for the right reasons, even though built upon a lie. Quite genius.


How is that different than everyone banning together against Manhattan? Seems the same to me.

Well, his point (that I am not advocating but merely explaining) is that one is purely out of fear where one is a realistic situation where humanity can band together and maybe fight off.

You can't fight off Manhattan.

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Godziller66 wrote:
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With the aliens you had the nation, the world, inhabitants of earth, banning together. Unity. Peace. Earth as one, and for the right reasons, even though built upon a lie. Quite genius.


How is that different than everyone banning together against Manhattan? Seems the same to me.

Well, his point (that I am not advocating but merely explaining) is that one is purely out of fear where one is a realistic situation where humanity can band together and maybe fight off.

You can't fight off Manhattan.


Well put Godziller, But yeah, the alien threat is new and foreign. It makes us put aside silly things and realize what is truly important, the survival as Earth as a whole. The alien threat is one way to open our eyes to this unity.

With Dr. M and the movie, society already knew of this Superman/God type being. The only difference is that he is now against us. We're simply obeying, or living in fear.

Where is the realization of peace and putting differences aside? Sure, it can be present in this scenario, but the alien threat is far more effective imo.

Plus the fact only New York was hit in the comics has it's merits.


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I believe the "Manhattan Energy" aspect of the film is what really defines the film as a whole vs the book. It obviously alters the ending, but the fact it downplays the comics by not having this new energy already accessible by the public is where the line is drawn. There are no electric cars in the future, nor do we get the notion that this 'new technology' put Hollis's car shop out of business, or more appropriately, focuses his forte on obsolete models ;)

I'm more bothered the film just takes two steps back and dumbs down the past down rather than the difference in endings.


In the book, electric cars were the present. In the movie, they are seen in the last wide shot of the film.


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