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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:53 pm 
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Why most readers of the graphic novel hate Veidt and want to see him suffer so much? I actually liked the ending but I don't understand all the hate he gets because he was trying to avert a nuclear war and someone ahd to make the sacrifice.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:08 pm 
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Because he's a jerk?

Really though, he decided to do what he thinks is best for the world and millions of people die as a result. He was partially doing it for selfish reasons too. I think that he cared more about justifying his life to himself than actually helping anyone. Basically, it's the body count.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:29 pm 
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Veidt is my second favourite character.
I hate the way they've made him in the movie though.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:32 pm 
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Well, he's a good character, but a bad person. I think, anyway.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:55 pm 
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Well, he's a good character, but a bad person. I think, anyway.


This.

I actually would go as far as to say that he is one of the best comic book characters ever made (as half of the cast of Watchmen is).

Seriously, when in your live have you seen a superhero with a background like Ozymandias ? with a thematic based on Alexander The Great and Rameses II, seriously, WHERE ?!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:59 pm 
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I think one reason people might hate him is because the movie, he was very hard to talk about with your friends, because nobody knew how to say his name properly.
Vate? Veet? Vedit? Vite? Nobody knew the pronunciation.

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they clearly pronounce veidt correctly in the film, no misconceptions there.

but he is an asshole, albeit an extremely well-written one.


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I can still remember Vynson making his case about Veidt being a psychopath, poor guy almost smashed someone's head against the wall trying to convince the Veidt fanboys :lol: !

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GAP wrote:
Why most readers of the graphic novel hate Veidt and want to see him suffer so much? I actually liked the ending but I don't understand all the hate he gets because he was trying to avert a nuclear war and someone ahd to make the sacrifice.


And who decides that? To me, he is as bad as those who were about to begin the nuclear war.

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GAP wrote:
Why most readers of the graphic novel hate Veidt and want to see him suffer so much?


Where does this statement even come from? Who hates Veidt? Who wants to see him suffer? Sources please.

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i don't hate veidt. he was misguided sure, but he wasn't your standard comic book villain. and sure he may have been evil, but you can't deny that his motives were good. you could probably say that he is an anti-villain, to mirror Rorchachs role as anti-hero.

even the characters don't hate him in the end, apart from rorchach, perhaps it is only rorschach fans who hate veidt. an interesting thought.

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Where does this statement even come from? Who hates Veidt? Who wants to see him suffer? Sources please.


I read in fanfics, other forums and even TVTropes, it seems that the general consensus is the Veidt is and evil prick who needs to pay for his actions and suffer horribly for them.


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Where does this statement even come from? Who hates Veidt? Who wants to see him suffer? Sources please.


I read in fanfics, other forums and even TVTropes, it seems that the general consensus is the Veidt is and evil prick who needs to pay for his actions and suffer horribly for them.


AKA people who don't fully understand watchmen, or only see it from a surfaced point of view, and have never bothered to peek inside to understand the character more. no moral reaction for them.


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GAP wrote:
I read in fanfics, other forums and even TVTropes, it seems that the general consensus is the Veidt is and evil prick who needs to pay for his actions and suffer horribly for them.


They sound like crazy Rorschach fans alright.

I think this was an unintentional problem of the comic caused by Rorschach, he is so attractive as a vigilante that people completely distract themselves from the novel itself.

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I myself like Veidt as a character even if I don't agree witht the actions he took to save the world.


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GAP wrote:
Why most readers of the graphic novel hate Veidt and want to see him suffer so much? I actually liked the ending but I don't understand all the hate he gets because he was trying to avert a nuclear war and someone ahd to make the sacrifice.


I don't hate Veidt as a character. He's a well developed character. But, as a person, I don't like him, no body does. It's because he is an arrogant bastard with a god complex. He alone decided to kill 3 million people, just because he was convinced it was the only way. And maybe it was the only way,I don't know how many other options he looked at but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a lot, but the question "What if it wasn't the only way?" will always remain. So it comes back to the fact that Veidt has a god complex.

It alienates people, the same way it does with Rorschach. But in the end, Rorschach is not hated because didn't kill what people perceive as 3 million innocent people and Veidt did.

Sorry for getting a bit off track. I'm kind of tired, so I know this is probably not making much sense.

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Jester wrote:
Sorry for getting a bit off track. I'm kind of tired, so I know this is probably not making much sense.

Looked perfectly coherent to me. I guess The Last Airbender didn't fry your brain that bad.

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What's that Stalin quote about tragedy and statistics?

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Smutty wrote:
What's that Stalin quote about tragedy and statistics?

The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million men is a statistic.

Something like that.

Edit: "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic."

No paraphrasing for me! :D

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Godziller66 wrote:
Looked perfectly coherent to me. I guess The Last Airbender didn't fry your brain that bad.


Of course everything SHE says will always seem coherent to you :) !

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