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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:51 pm 
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I know the comedian was a real bastard who took life by the horns and made a joke out everything but what caused to completely lose his gourd after the incident in Karnak? Its almost ironic in a way that the Comedian made life into a joke yet the joke was on him.


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Well that's kind of what it was. Blake realized that everything was just one, big joke. Veidt's plan was the punchline, and the aftermath was the audience's reception.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:29 am 
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What incident in Karnak?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:07 pm 
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I think GAP is talking about the island that Blake flew over.

Sorry, GAP, but the monster wasn't created at Karnak. It was created on a remote desert island.

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Sorry, GAP, but the monster wasn't created at Karnak. It was created on a remote desert island.


Completely forgot to mention that, good to know Curi shows up whenever he's needed :)

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perhaps, ironically, what caused him to go insane was winning vietnam, he says that he thinks losing vietnam would have driven the whole nation insane, but perhaps winning and the events surrounding the win reinforced his unusual world-view, causing him to go insane, perhaps if they had lost VN he wouyld have been taught humility and ended up much more stable.

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Amoral sadistic bastard - Yes.

But insane? No. I'm not seeing it.


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Writer Of Wrongs wrote:
Amoral sadistic bastard - Yes.

But insane? No. I'm not seeing it.


i suppose it depends on your definition of sanity.

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AvatarIII wrote:
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Amoral sadistic bastard - Yes.

But insane? No. I'm not seeing it.


i suppose it depends on your definition of sanity.


A common deffinition is clear detachment from reality.

Could we really say that about Blake ?

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A common deffinition is clear detachment from reality.


Technically, the legal definition (in America) of insanity is the inability to tell right from wrong. Blake knew the difference, but he just didn't care. I agree with WoW... he's not insane, he knew exactly what and why he was doing the thigns he did

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perhaps, ironically, what caused him to go insane was winning


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A common deffinition is clear detachment from reality.


Technically, the legal definition (in America) of insanity is the inability to tell right from wrong. Blake knew the difference, but he just didn't care. I agree with WoW... he's not insane, he knew exactly what and why he was doing the thigns he did


i think you're right, in that sense he wasn't insane, he was a psychopath, but that something different altogether

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i think you're right, in that sense he wasn't insane, he was a psychopath, but that something different altogether


It's precisely there where the line is drawn.

If the comedian wasn't capable on a cognitive level to acknowledge the morality of his actions, then he was mentally ill, clinical (sp) classification being "Psychopath".

But that's the beauty of it all, as we've been saying, he fully understood everything he did, then again, some people (like me) could argue that he was still a psychopath, albeit an intelligent one who still had a connection with the real world and could rationalize his actions to others, as he does in a few ocassions.

But that theory is automatically trumped when we see him crying to Moloch about the horror of what he saw, he is capable of feeling empathy, and therefore, he can't be a psychopath.

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But that theory is automatically trumped when we see him crying to Moloch about the horror of what he saw, he is capable of feeling empathy, and therefore, he can't be a psychopath.


does he feel empathy? or is it something else, i might have to reread that bit to see.

anyway i'm going to have a read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial ... y_Disorder and associated articles to see if we can't diagnost the SOB :lol:

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AvatarIII wrote:
does he feel empathy? or is it something else, i might have to reread that bit to see.


He did cry at the horror of Ozy's plan, at the millions of lives that would die, he also pretty much drowned his sorrows with alcohol.

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anyway i'm going to have a read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial ... y_Disorder and associated articles to see if we can't diagnost the SOB :lol:


There has to be some sort of diagnosis, but it sure as hell is tricky !

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does he feel empathy? or is it something else, i might have to reread that bit to see.


He did cry at the horror of Ozy's plan, at the millions of lives that would die, he also pretty much drowned his sorrows with alcohol.


but was he crying because of that, or the fact that the world as he knows it would end?

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does he feel empathy? or is it something else, i might have to reread that bit to see.


He did cry at the horror of Ozy's plan, at the millions of lives that would die, he also pretty much drowned his sorrows with alcohol.


but was he crying because of that, or the fact that the world as he knows it would end?


In any case, the important thing to know is that he was crying because something, either the people, or the world, mattered to him, he felt a connection to something, and if this is what happened then he can't be called a psychopath.

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does he feel empathy? or is it something else, i might have to reread that bit to see.


He did cry at the horror of Ozy's plan, at the millions of lives that would die, he also pretty much drowned his sorrows with alcohol.


but was he crying because of that, or the fact that the world as he knows it would end?


In any case, the important thing to know is that he was crying because something, either the people, or the world, mattered to him, he felt a connection to something, and if this is what happened then he can't be called a psychopath.


the point i was trying to make is perhaps he was crying for selfish reasons, although i remember hearing on a war documentry once something about a disorder similar to psychopathy, but less symptomatic and a lot of the kind of people that get medals for bravery in wars for doing crazy stuff often have. i have no idea what it was called or even if it had a name.

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the point i was trying to make is perhaps he was crying for selfish reasons, although i remember hearing on a war documentry once something about a disorder similar to psychopathy, but less symptomatic and a lot of the kind of people that get medals for bravery in wars for doing crazy stuff often have. i have no idea what it was called or even if it had a name.


This is the kind of situations where either the name of the documentary or the disorder............you shouldn't forget :lol:

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but was he crying because of that, or the fact that the world as he knows it would end?


I think to make him even more human we need to consider one other character... Laurie.

After the meeting when Sally calls him out and pulls Laurie away and you see him in the background sad and dejected... he wants to be a part of Lauire (and I'd argue Sally's) life, but he knows he never can be... and that tears him up. The panel where he's just hanging his head as they drive away proves this.

But on the same note this could be considered it's direct relation to him, and therefore because they don't feed his desire for praise... his own narcicissm is being deprived which could also cause him to be sad.

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