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 Post subject: A spiritual sequel
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:52 am 
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What was great about Watchmen? So much... But what really stands out to me was exploration of superhero archetypes and relevance to the current events at the time.

I would love to see a spiritual sequel. Not a direct story continuation... no, that's not needed. But using the same type of formula, have a new cast that looks at the modern hero types and modern threats and challenges. Anyone else would like that?


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Watchmen helped shape the modern superhero conventions through satire of superhero conventions of the time. A Watchmen-like graphic novel to analyze the changes that resulted from Watchmen would just end up eating its own tail and turn out completely pointless. You know, like Scream 4 did.

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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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I don't know about that. If done right, and not in an attempt to copy or immitate, a spiritual sequel could work. Comics and the world have changed a great deal since Watchmen. There is A LOT of new. There is a lot to work with.


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Nah, spiritual sequel not necessary, unless WW3 starts.


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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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AYB or somebody and I were talking about that concept briefly a little while ago, I think. I thought it actually sounded pretty cool, but that might just be me fanboying. I definitely like the concept, but maybe it would be pointless. Who knows, though? I really wouldn't mind if someone gave it a shot, could turn out great.

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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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watchman wrote:
Comics and the world have changed a great deal since Watchmen. There is A LOT of new. There is a lot to work with.

Really? Go on.


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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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Writer Of Wrongs wrote:
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Comics and the world have changed a great deal since Watchmen. There is A LOT of new. There is a lot to work with.

Really? Go on.


About what? I'm not writer. If I was, I would write one myself. :) But the reality is that the world of 1985 was very different from what we see today. Why not a take on the modern character achetypes? Why not a take on the modern world?

Don't get me wrong, I like Watchmen the way it is. But time moves on. Watchmen is considered to be the greatest graphic novel of all time. Time for a new one. Time for another groundbreaker to step up and challeng today's standards. We can't live in the past forever.


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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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watchman wrote:
Comics and the world have changed a great deal since Watchmen. There is A LOT of new. There is a lot to work with.

Really? Go on.


About what? I'm not writer. If I was, I would write one myself. :) But the reality is that the world of 1985 was very different from what we see today. Why not a take on the modern character achetypes? Why not a take on the modern world?

Don't get me wrong, I like Watchmen the way it is. But time moves on. Watchmen is considered to be the greatest graphic novel of all time. Time for a new one. Time for another groundbreaker to step up and challeng today's standards. We can't live in the past forever.

Actually, I don't know. Are there really any new archetypes to work with? I mean, all of the most popular superheroes back in 1985 are pretty much the same ones now, right? And as for the modern world, the world really hasn't changed that much when you look at it.

I don't know, maybe we can just take Watchmen and digitally enhance it so some of the characters have cell phones.

Addendums ahoy!: The only thing I could think of would be a heavy handed comment on the nature of terrorism. But I don't know, do you have any ideas?

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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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I don't know, maybe we can just take Watchmen and digitally enhance it so some of the characters have cell phones.


I actually thought that would've been a good idea for the movie. A lot of casual fans never heard of the novel when the movie came out. Plus making them more modern would've opened the door to add new plot elements and make the movie stand on it's own instead of trying to film the "unfilmable". But that's double-edged sword. People would've complained that it wasn't faithful to the novel. lol Can't please everyone.

My personal stance, the movie should've done it. I like the change they made to the plot. I thought they worked well, and in some ways better than the novel. But I would like to add a more modern feel/look to the story. Not as a replacement, but as a way to connect to a new generation.


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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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I don't know, maybe we can just take Watchmen and digitally enhance it so some of the characters have cell phones.


I actually thought that would've been a good idea for the movie. A lot of casual fans never heard of the novel when the movie came out. Plus making them more modern would've opened the door to add new plot elements and make the movie stand on it's own instead of trying to film the "unfilmable". But that's double-edged sword. People would've complained that it wasn't faithful to the novel. lol Can't please everyone.

My personal stance, the movie should've done it. I like the change they made to the plot. I thought they worked well, and in some ways better than the novel. But I would like to add a more modern feel/look to the story. Not as a replacement, but as a way to connect to a new generation.


How would they work the cold war backdrop into a modern setting?

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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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How would they work the cold war backdrop into a modern setting?


Exactly! They wouldn't.

In a way, the threat that the world of Watchmen faced was very... simple. Grand in scale, but simple as a concept. Nuclear war. USA vs Russia. Today it's not so simple. It's hard to aim you missiles when you don't have a contry to clear label as the "bad guys". The threat could come from anywhere. Even internally.

Small example... Giant Squid exploding? So 80's. How about the September 11th? How about THAT being the ultimate threat. Much more recent. And very believable if you piece together all the facts.


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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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Small example... Giant Squid exploding? So 80's. How about the September 11th? How about THAT being the ultimate threat. Much more recent. And very believable if you piece together all the facts.

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ummmm are you a troll? I mean...I don't even.

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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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Oh, I get it... so unless I limit myself to a single book and don't allow any thought beyond it.... I'm a troll. Figures... yeah... I giant squid is a MUCH better plot element. lol


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Oh, I get it... so unless I limit myself to a single book and don't allow any thought beyond it.... I'm a troll. Figures... yeah... I giant squid is a MUCH better plot element. lol

My brain is, like, short-circuited after that last comment, though.

9/11?

Seriously?

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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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Why not? A shocking moment that had an impact on the entire globe. Triggered multiple wars. Surrounded in controversy and conspiracy. It's huge! Why not build a story around that? The official government story is so full of holes that only a total fool can believe it. And for a writer, something like that could be used to create an incredibly moving story.


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watchman wrote:
My personal stance, the movie should've done it. I like the change they made to the plot. I thought they worked well, and in some ways better than the novel. But I would like to add a more modern feel/look to the story. Not as a replacement, but as a way to connect to a new generation.

To quote Zack Snyder himself: "Should Watchmen come to the people or should people come to Watchmen?"

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The official government story is so full of holes that only a total fool can believe it.

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 Post subject: Re: A spiritual sequel
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Why not? A shocking moment that had an impact on the entire globe. Triggered multiple wars. Surrounded in controversy and conspiracy. It's huge! Why not build a story around that? The official government story is so full of holes that only a total fool can believe it. And for a writer, something like that could be used to create an incredibly moving story.


An interesting idea, but it needs it's own comic. It doesn't need to feed off Watchmen. If you modernize Watchmen, it's not Watchmen anymore, but something else completely.

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watchman wrote:
Why not? A shocking moment that had an impact on the entire globe. Triggered multiple wars. Surrounded in controversy and conspiracy. It's huge! Why not build a story around that? The official government story is so full of holes that only a total fool can believe it. And for a writer, something like that could be used to create an incredibly moving story.


An interesting idea, but it needs it's own comic. It doesn't need to feed off Watchmen. If you modernize Watchmen, it's not Watchmen anymore, but something else completely.


Actually, 9/11 has already been touched in comics (Spider-Man had a whole take on it), so no need for any other thing.


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