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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:34 pm 
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I know Moore was against doing any sequels to Watchmen or having any characters spun-off to their own titles, but I can't help wondering what we could be missing. Some of the characters Moore established in Watchmen are some of the most interesting and complex characters to ever appear in the comic genre.

I think a Rorschach title would be interesting. The best time period for it to take place would be after the Keane Act, but before the events of the mini-series.

And a follow up mini-series to Watchmen tracing the aftermath of events in the first series, but entailing an entirely new plot line. Yes, there would be no Rorschach, but everyone else could make a return.

All of this is assuming either Alan Moore was the writer, or the writer who inherits the title is responsible enough to keep the tone and attitudes consistant with Moore's vision.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:48 pm 
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Blasphemy!

Honestly, I wouldn't mind it if Alan Moore himself (along with Dave Gibbons) came onboard for the project, but seeing as how Alan would have to come back to DC (After the whole fiasco with the rights to his stories, I don't think they're very good friends) in order to do it. Which isn't likely at all. Also, there'd have to be some real point behind the story. I wouldn't want it to be made simply because it would be "cool". Another Watchmen story, in whatever form it takes, would have to be just as revolutionary and groundbreaking as the original, in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:23 pm 
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Blasphemy!

C'mon, really? I'm not saying I want to See Watchmen League 2007 introducing Inkblot the Monkey, Rorschach's new comic-relief sidekick. And it don't want to see it cause it would be "cool."

I think that if treated with respect there's room for some interesting stories in Moore's world. Real stories that make real impact. Not to do it, just to do it.

A while back Stan Lee was going to write a Superman in a Marvel/DC crossover. It fell through, and tt does sound like a cheap PR stunt. But I would have loved to see a Stan Lee spin on such a scared DC property.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:28 pm 
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I put the "Blasphemy!" in there more as a little parody of the typical response of a Watchmen fanboy to an idea like that, but I understand where you're coming from, I wouldn't mind seeing new stories as long as they are relevant and stay true to the tone and spirit of the original story. Its just that the only way I see that happening is if Alan Moore were directly involved somehow, and I just don't see that happening.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:12 pm 
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I can't see this coming out without there being some form of game for the PC, PS3 or XBox.

Much as I enjoy gaming I think they should keep away from it. :(

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:23 am 
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For me, a sequel is absolutely out of the question. The last panel of the series is meant to be ambiguous; if you set a definite outcome and make it canon, the ending is ruined. It's best if every reader makes up his/her own ending, based on his/her own morals.

However, I would like to see some of the Minutemen in action. You know, some good old-fashioned Jack Kirby comic adventures starring Nite Owl I, Silk Spectre I, Dollar Bill, the Comedian and all the rest.

A Rorschach spin-off would be fantastic, and if some of his adventures with Nite Owl II could be included, even better.

ETA: A Rorschach video game would be all-around awesome. The game could have stealth elements, sequences where you pump NPCs for information and 100% interactive environments -- which you could use during fight sequences.

It wouldn't be Watchmen, but the right developer would make a truly amazing game out of that concept.

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Interviewed in 1988, Moore and Gibbons went on record to say that at the time, the only possible spin-off they would entertain would have been a Minuteman book, ownership position permitting (and we know how that worked out). There would be no direct sequel. In their own words:

AM: Just before we get off the subject of serialisations, continuations end sequels: when I set out to do Watchmen, and I imagine that Dave felt the same way – that we didn’t want to give people what they wanted, we set out to give them what they needed… and the same applies to sequels they may want sequels really badly…
Interviewer: …but they don’t need them. Sequels are the bane of comic books.
AM: Watchmen is a novel, it’s there and it’s got a beginning, a middle and an end… complete. Frank Herbert managed to turn Dune into a Perry Rhodan for the ’80s with all those sequels. It was a wonderful book to start with that was unreadable by the time it was finished.
DG: It should be very clear in your mind who’s in charge of any artistic endeavour. Obviously, Alan and I could make ourselves a fortune on Watchmen 2 next year. I just can’t think of any reason to do it other than the obvious monetary ones. Minutemen appeals because it’s a different era and a different story.


http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/?p=613

Since these bygone days Moore has emphatically stated time after time that he will never knowingly work with or for DC Comics again. But since Gibbons seems to be an enthusiastically willing participant in Snyder's movie project, despite his own previous misgivings on the subject of a Watchmen film over the years, coupled with the fact that it is DC who retain all ownership rights to the work, do we think that Gibbons himself could be persuaded to draw some new Watchmen strip material penned by anyone other than Moore... or is that just too much of a compromise?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:34 am 
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Watchmen without Moore would be like Sandman without Gaiman.

The themes and pulse of the story aren't just transmitted in well-coloured frames and images. There has to be a deep narrative, especially with this work.

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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
For me, a sequel is absolutely out of the question. The last panel of the series is meant to be ambiguous; if you set a definite outcome and make it canon, the ending is ruined. It's best if every reader makes up his/her own ending, based on his/her own morals.

Very true. I wasn't thinking of a "direct" sequel or seemless continuation of the original Watchmen plot, but an entirely new plot that may include some of the same characters. Reference to the previous story could remain cryptic and intentionally ignored. But, Curiousity, maybe your right. I'm still for prequel spin-offs. Rorschach by Frank Miller anyone?

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Very true. I wasn't thinking of a "direct" sequel or seemless continuation of the original Watchmen plot, but an entirely new plot that may include some of the same characters. Reference to the previous story could remain cryptic and intentionally ignored. But, Curiousity, maybe your right. I'm still for prequel spin-offs. Rorschach by Frank Miller anyone?


I think any spinoffs, Frank Miller, even Alan Moore spinoffs, would ruin the beauty of the novel.

Having a rorschach comic changes how everyone who reads watchmen after reading rorschach comics percieves the entire story. You cannot preserve the novel and create spinoff comics as well, it just doesn't work that way.

and if any spinoffs were created there would be a myriad of lore surrounding each character such as there is around superman or batman. And thus the further deconstruction of the characters.

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There were, of course, the DC Comics/Watchmen Role-Playing game adventures set in 1968. Someone could create their own character or play a Watchmen character using the DC rules and tables. I believe this was a late 80's publication, but I found it interesting that of all the mediums open to Moore and DC, that the only "sequel" realized was a role-playing spin-off.

Perhaps it was DC's call (and not Moore's at all) to format the game using other writer's scenarios for adventures (thus milking as much out of Watchmen's recent success)?

Personally, I'd love to see a post-Crimebusters/pre-Keene Act Watchmen. Taking on Moloch and the Big Figure. A sane Rorschach would still kick-ass, IMHO. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:59 pm 
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I'd read a sequel or spinoff, and you all would too. I'm just not sure if it would be a good idea or not. I think a prequel series about the Minutemen would be the best bet. As long as it was by Alan Moore.


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I think opening this can of worms will only result in ruination. Yes, I like the idea of a Minutemen prequel, but I don't think it could be done right by very many writers. Even if it weren't Moore scripting, there aren't very many writers capable of sustaining this particular level of storytelling and almost none of them work in comics.

But if it were a success, you can bet DC would follow up with Rorschach and Nite Owl prequels as they chase down the Big Figure and Underboss. Then there'd be a Nite Owl and Silk Spectre series based on their post squid adventures.

And it would just get out of hand.

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A Comedian comic spinoff would be good. A good time line would be from the start of Minutemen then to the end of Crimebusters.

A Rorschach comic would probably be interesting too.
A Doc Manhattan would also be interesting as long as he has this "separation from humanity" thing going on.

A Nite-Owl comic would probably be a lot like Batman. (hehe...)


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:02 pm 
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are you people not familiar with a recent dvd release called "WATCHMEN BABIES: V FOR VACATION?"

...and to think you call yourself fans.

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iancontinence wrote:
are you people not familiar with a recent dvd release called "WATCHMEN BABIES: V FOR VACATION?"

...and to think you call yourself fans.
Folks, I think I have unearthed the reason why DD started this thread.

He knew DC has already authorized the production of a follow-up. In fact, it picks up just where the RPG leaves off. Nelly is successful in establishing a Crimebusters group.

I'm not at liberty to discuss all the details, but suffice it to say that a crossover is planned.
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(hint, hint)

In fact, WB has gone ahead and begun filming a direct-to-DVD release, based on the comic sequel.
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The casting for Marvin and Wendy haven't been cast yet, but it is just a matter of time.
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Mannie Bothans wrote:

Folks, I think I have unearthed the reason why DD started this thread.

He knew DC has already authorized the production of a follow-up. In fact, it picks up just where the RPG leaves off. Nelly is successful in establishing a Crimebusters group.

I'm not at liberty to discuss all the details, but suffice it to say that a crossover is planned.

(hint, hint)

In fact, WB has gone ahead and begun filming a direct-to-DVD release, based on the comic sequel.
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I think you were just looking for an excuse to post some guy-on-guy porn :D

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Now that I've found this thread - does anybody know how far the Minutemen mini progressed? It would be great if it is covered in Dave Gibbon's book.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:22 pm 
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A minutemen prequel would be too similar to Alan Moore's Top Ten prequel.
I would like to see some kind of espionage/spy/detective adventure featuring a younger Blake as the protagonist, on one of his missions.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:20 am 
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DoomsdayClock wrote:
A while back Stan Lee was going to write a Superman in a Marvel/DC crossover. It fell through, and tt does sound like a cheap PR stunt. But I would have loved to see a Stan Lee spin on such a scared DC property.



Stan Lee did do his own take on DC characters. It was a series called "Just Imagine Stan Lee Created..."

The Green Lantern issue was drawn by Dave Gibbons.

Yes, Stan Lee's version of Green Lantern looks like a green Dr. Manhattan with a GL symbol in his chest rather than the hydrogen stom on his forehead ;)

For what it's worth, the Green Lantern issue was one of the more interesting issues in the series. For the most part the entire line was awful, due to the writing.

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Now that I've found this thread - does anybody know how far the Minutemen mini progressed? It would be great if it is covered in Dave Gibbon's book.


It didn't get started. It may well have if relations with DC hadn't broken down. Dave Gibbons confirmed as such at the recent BICS presentation for Watching the Watchmen.

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