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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:23 am 
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Like the biggest dissapointment for me was rorschach''s death, and the second dissapointment was the story ended.


Would you elaborate on those two ? usually I've met people who have misunderstood the story and have quoted both Rorschach's death and the ending as what they didn't like.

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I mean even anything, if not this story, some story. I dont pretend to be an alan moore, but are we going to wait forever for him to stop being so bitter. I swear... the day he DOES sanction a sequel he'll be 97 and he'll die from a heart attack.


Have you heard about the deal that DC recently offered to Alan Moore ?, if you do, then that's why he is right in being as bitter as he is, he has been fucked several times over by a lot of people in both industries, I think he has actually taken it quite well, if I was him I would go Keyser Soze on DC's ass.

And I personally see no point in a Watchmen sequel other than the love for some of the characters, mostly, I would be afraid of somehow fucking it up simply because of the idea of continuing the series, if I had any editorial rights to continue Watchmen, I wouldn't do it if I didn't have anything to say with Manhattan, Laurie, Dan & Ozy, no not Rorschach, because he is DEAD :P !
i just regretted that Rorschach died, i understand why he died, and the end is fine but like i said i still want to see more.

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i just regretted that Rorschach died, i understand why he died, and the end is fine but like i said i still want to see more.


Usually I am never opposed to doing a sequel, but it's a little fucking hard in the case of Watchmen, the latter's abundance of themes, characters, and it's grandiose scope are to much to top.

If there was really some way, some idea that could merit the sequel, then I would be fully on for it.

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feliciano182 wrote:
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i just regretted that Rorschach died, i understand why he died, and the end is fine but like i said i still want to see more.


Usually I am never opposed to doing a sequel, but it's a little fucking hard in the case of Watchmen, the latter's abundance of themes, characters, and it's grandiose scope are to much to top.

If there was really some way, some idea that could merit the sequel, then I would be fully on for it.


ask alan moore. meanwhile he rolls in his grave.


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i just regretted that Rorschach died, i understand why he died, and the end is fine but like i said i still want to see more.


Usually I am never opposed to doing a sequel, but it's a little fucking hard in the case of Watchmen, the latter's abundance of themes, characters, and it's grandiose scope are to much to top.

If there was really some way, some idea that could merit the sequel, then I would be fully on for it.

If Dave Gibbons gave it his blessing, and we had an amazing story,

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If Dave Gibbons gave it his blessing, and we had an amazing story,


Sure, but Dave is only half of the equation, as is Alan.

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If Dave Gibbons gave it his blessing, and we had an amazing story,


Sure, but Dave is only half of the equation, as is Alan.

The movie was made without his blessing. In fact quite the opposite.

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The movie was made without his blessing. In fact quite the opposite.


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You do realize that the movie could've been made without anyone's blessing, right ?

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The movie was made without his blessing. In fact quite the opposite.


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You do realize that the movie could've been made without anyone's blessing, right ?

thats not my point!
A sequel can be physically made without alan's approval!
Have we lost all faith in other writers?
I for one am sick of hearing about Alan Moore, if fanboys would calm the fuck down, and start making intelligent demands instead of just saying we dont want ANYONE but alan doing 'Watchmen 2', maybe DC wouldnt feel that making a sequel without moore would incite riots.
In the end its just a comic.
A masterpiece of its kind, but have we seriously been preventing lightening from striking twice?

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maybe DC wouldnt feel that making a sequel without moore would incite riots.


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You really just want MOAR Watchmen, regardless of how good or bad it can be.

And I can't believe I am explaining this, but look pal, about DC ? they are not in it for anything other than the grub, so don't fool yourself by thinking they want anything different than to juice the lemons as much as they can.

And good for the fanboys, fuck DC, give our Glycon worshipper his rights back :P !

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The problem, NiteOwl, is that there's no place left to go.

Any sequel would have to address whether or not Rorschach's journal was published and whether or not Veidt's utopia lasts. To provide a canonical and definitive answer either way would destroy the ambiguity that is so central to what makes Watchmen great. It would retroactively spoil the original text with the implication that it was not ambiguous, but a set-up to this one outcome.

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The problem, NiteOwl, is that there's no place left to go.

Any sequel would have to address whether or not Rorschach's journal was published and whether or not Veidt's utopia lasts. To provide a canonical and definitive answer either way would destroy the ambiguity that is so central to what makes Watchmen great. It would retroactively spoil the original text with the implication that it was not ambiguous, but a set-up to this one outcome.

well at least when you put it like that i dont feel like i did when Radar left M*A*S*H.
Kovacs R.I.P.

I still think there is some story possibility out there that would take it one step up.

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I still think there is some story possibility out there that would take it one step up.

I don't think that there's any way that Watchmen could possibly be improved by creating a sequel. It'd just end up being fanboy porn like someone other than J.D. Salinger writing a sequel to The Catcher in the Rye.

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I still think there is some story possibility out there that would take it one step up.

Like what?

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Nite Owl, it wouldn't be preventing lightning from striking twice, if t was a different writer and different artist it would be two different bolts hitting two different locations. Watchmen 2 wouldn't work because unless it was set 20 years later a critique on the cold war wouldn't work as well now as it did then. If you want other great super hero stories check out Kingdom Come, Marvels, Dark Knight Returns, or Kick-Ass (not really a super hero story I guess)

Watchmen was meant to be one story, it had a start and it had anopen end, liek the sopranos. Any more episodes or a movie would confirm or disconfirm Tony's eath, but that's not what Chase wanted, he wanted people ot have the kind of closure they wanted. I for one don't think Veidt's utopia would have succeeded, but I don't want to know what any one author thinks happened, because unless it's Alan Moore it's going to turn out to be glorified fanfic

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Nite Owl, it wouldn't be preventing lightning from striking twice, if t was a different writer and different artist it would be two different bolts hitting two different locations. Watchmen 2 wouldn't work because unless it was set 20 years later a critique on the cold war wouldn't work as well now as it did then. If you want other great super hero stories check out Kingdom Come, Marvels, Dark Knight Returns, or Kick-Ass (not really a super hero story I guess)

Watchmen was meant to be one story, it had a start and it had anopen end, liek the sopranos. Any more episodes or a movie would confirm or disconfirm Tony's eath, but that's not what Chase wanted, he wanted people ot have the kind of closure they wanted. I for one don't think Veidt's utopia would have succeeded, but I don't want to know what any one author thinks happened, because unless it's Alan Moore it's going to turn out to be glorified fanfic

eh.. i guess i'll just have to accept that

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eh.. i guess i'll just have to accept that


Yeah, honestly it just wouldn't work.

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