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It is the liberal's first move to stamp out opposition. Look at what is going to be introduced into congress in the coming months. The 'Fairness Doctine" which will effectively destroy Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Michael Savage's shows. If you want it really to be fair why dont we get 1/2 the editorial page on the NY Times, a second anchor with Olbermann, and dual anchors on the major news networks.
Its the liberals who censor voices and when I say that homosexuality is wrong they decry that it is "hate speech" and that I should be arrested for saying it. Its the newfound liberal fascism.
I think its funny that I come to practically the Democratic Underground message boards, tell my true feelings of crime and justice and people think Im a psychopath. This would be a fun conversation on Free Republic. Just remember, when fascism comes and all of you are sent to death camps while you protest peacefully...you are gonna be relying on us, the rightwingers to bail you out with our stockpiles of guns and common sense. You better hope we dont look down and whisper "no."
I also agree. Rorschach doesnt hide his political opinions. Neither do I. I am proud of them. He is just trying to make the world a better place based on his correct ideals. I wish I had that much moral courage...but alas, I havent lost everything like Walter had. Its so much harder when you have alot to lose.

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"I wish all the liberals of the Earth had one throat....and I had my hands about it." -Rorschach, 2009
"Why are so few of us, in this forum, left active, healthy, and without personality disorders? " -Rorschach, 2009

That is so interesting!

Somebody please PM me when the new holocaust comes; I might be busy that day and not get a chance to watch the news. Also PM me if you want to talk about throwing together a pre-holocaust potluck/barbecue. I get good deals on spareribs, so I call bringing that.

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He did it.

I have to agree with Rorschach in that the fairness doctrine is a crock of shit. However, I also think it's any political group whose first impulse is to stamp out opposition. It's just a facet of human nature.

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Go ahead, devour my soul! All you'll get out of it is dysentery and food poisoning!

Being a bit of a lazy git, I admit I haven't read throught this entire thread....

Had a thought today concerning Rorschach's death.

My 12 year old son asked me what were Veidt's motives for doing what he did at the end of the GN. We talked, too, about why Dr. Manhattan would have needed to kill Kovacs/Rorschach. My son thought that was sad. I was explaining (rather long-windidly) about Rorschach's feelings before accompanying Dan to Antarctica. He assumed at that time that Veidt was up to something but that the outbreak of nuclear war was imminent.

His journal describes a conspiracy, from an ant's perspective, but there are clues in there to get people sniffing in areas Adrian wanted to keep ligit and locked down.

Now what if Osterman "saw" the result of Kovacs' bid for freedom and success at reaching civilization? He would have had to assume that by killing Rorschach that possible future was rubbed out in an instant. He was technically aware of the risc of a possible result of Rorschach's whistle-blowing, but not aware of exactly how that whistle was blown.

He cannot have been aware of the copy of the journal.

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Okay, I know this is slightly off topic (and a sincerly apologize) but I have been trying to describe Rorschach to some people who are not nessisarily Watchmen fan's that I will be cosplaying him with. I've gone through the whole right wing spheel but I am not sure if they get it. Any ideas? And again I'm really sorry if I am too off topic.

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In one sentence: Rorschach is why vigilantes should be outlawed.

He has no regard for logic, laws or human life. He cares only about what he perceives to be right.

I think it's also worth noting that aside from his grappling gun, Rorschach carries no tools or weapons. He relies almost entirely on his unique mask, his keen detective's intellect and whatever seemingly harmless objects are available.

To me, that's Rorschach in a nutshell.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

I think this has been discussed elsewhere: Manhattan being able to see what happens to the planet after those final events at Karnak presupposes that, at some point, he must have returned to Earth in order to experience the situation for himself; I personally don't think that was ever likely to happen.

I don't consider that Manhattan assumed that killing Rorschach was a surefire way of 'rubbing out' any threat to and therefore protecting Veidt's future, nor that he correspondingly then believed that such a future could only be undone as a result of whistle blowing by either Rorschach himself or anyone else for that matter. Manhattan's famously cryptic response of Nothing ever ends in fact tends to suggest the opposite and that, if anything, he simply has no faith in human nature to inherently be able to support and sustain indefinite peace by itself irrespective of whether or not Veidt's plot is exposed by whatever means.

Thank you very much!

I'll definately quote you on this.

Definately better then my description.

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In one sentence: Rorschach is everything that is right about this world, but we are afraid to be.

His morals and integrity are flawless. He is the enforcer of what is right in a dastardly corrupt and inhumane world.

I think it's also worth noting that aside from his grappling gun, Rorschach carries no tools or weapons. He relies almost entirely on his unique mask, his keen detective's intellect and whatever seemingly harmless objects are available.

To me, that's Rorschach in a nutshell.

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"I wish all the liberals of the Earth had one throat....and I had my hands about it." -Rorschach, 2009
"Why are so few of us, in this forum, left active, healthy, and without personality disorders? " -Rorschach, 2009

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The one thing that makes this world of his so "dastardly corrupt and inhumane" is, guess what, the presence of vigilantes.



Wow, you're bad at this. Every time you try to justify vigilantism, you just give us three more reasons as to why it's immoral and reprehensible.

Try harder the next time you take another crack at this "thinking" thing you're testing out.

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He did it.

"His morals and integrity are flawless."

You forgot a few glaring examples:

- Rorscach believes that all criminals are scum that deserve to die; he himself is a criminal by operating outside the law
- Rorschach believes that rape is an inexcuseable crime, yet he is willing to forgive the Comedian's attempted rape. The reason? He likes the Comedian.
- Rorscach beleives that Truman's decision to drop the bomb was right. Veidt does essentially the same thing, and Rorscach believes that it is wrong.

And I'm not going to go into the whole "he breaks the fingers of innocent people" schpiel, because you've heard that before and clearly aren't willing/able to listen. Bottom line? Rorschach's morals and integrity are extreme - and he breaks his own morals all the time. I wouldn't call that "flawless".

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Well, what did you guys expect? You take a right-wing conservative who supported Bush and voted for McCain and show him Watchmen, and, well...



Idolization

noun
the act of admiring strongly [syn: adoration]

Indeed.



Ah well.

For the record, RLRorscach...I don't take issue with your political beliefs. That's not on trial here. I do take issue with the way you are unwilling to see the character's flaws.

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Being a conservative has nothing to do with the regurgitated diatribe we've had to play witness to.

This is a feeble mind latching onto the articulations of a more voluble one—a parasite on the back of a shark. One who would abdicate their own judgment and undermine their own determinations, hoping that somebody more qualified will come along and do it for them. One who must rely on the eloquence of another to synthesize their opinions and thoughts, as they are not able to do it themselves. One who must cling to the most basic of prisms through which the world can be viewed, as it is the only one that does not demand anything of him.

The back-and-forth is fun, but it engenders a false sense of equality among opinions. We are not arguing with a person, we are arguing with a copied and pasted script.

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He did it.

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Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste......

I know being a conservative is not automatically bad, I was saying it was all that combined.

And I agree. I looked back at the spot wher he said he thought a man was guilty simply because he was in a courtroom (which is where they go to decide whether you are guilty or innocent) and I knew this has to be a troll.

Has anyone considered that Rorschach takes his mask off not just to make Manhattan feel that he is taking a human life, instead of just solving an impersonal problem, but because his mask is made from a material created by Manhattan, who he knows will be his executioner? The provenance for his mask is mentioned earlier in a flashback. In his disillusionment with the other 'masks', it is evident he'd remove that part of his costume out of a renunciation of his faith in costumed heroes. He is probably also renouncing faith in Manhattan, who provided him with the material that he's hid behind down the years.

The mask is composed of material actually described as being a Dr. Manhattan spin-off fabric, the emphasis being that Manhattan had no direct hand in its creation but rather it was developed by some enterprising soul using methods previously unheard of before Manhattan postulated some scientific process that just happened to make the manufacture of such a product possible.

I shouldn't think for one moment that Manhattan had any idea that he was indirectly responsible for the creation of such a fabric, or that he could care less that his scientific prowess had allowed for the production of such a trivial item even if he did, certainly not enough for him to attach any significance to Rorschach's gesture of removing the mask in his presence.

He is taking it off by playing "chicken" with Manhattan. Its a do-it-bitch moment. Hit a defensless man who isnt wearing his mask anymore. Probably a mistake because Manhattan sees the world like the matrix, just green lines of numbers.

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"I wish all the liberals of the Earth had one throat....and I had my hands about it." -Rorschach, 2009
"Why are so few of us, in this forum, left active, healthy, and without personality disorders? " -Rorschach, 2009