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I think I'll go on adding some of my heroes/heroines like Professor Richard Dawkins, Mr. Jackie Earle Haley, Sir George Orwell, Ms. Koo Hye Sun and Ms. Julia Jentsch.

Anyway, I'm still wondering, is Che Guevara a hero or a villain? I know he's a Marxist theorist, but despite the fact that I'm a anti-Marxist and a anti-Communist, I'm still curious about whether he really did fought for the greater good or he's simply a killer.

Well, he executed those who did not believe the same as he did, without any sort of trial, he also had concentration camps for those people he couldn't kill either, what do you think ?

Well NO ONE is simply a hero or villain. People are complicated, as are their situations. Che did very good things and very bad things. It's really quite a personal thing to judge him.

Feliciano sees him as a villain, and I as a hero. You will NEVER get a simple answer on Che, or anyone for that matter. In my opinion, research him yourself and make up your own mind.

True indeed, i for example admire Winston Churchill, but i will never deny his "crashes" with Mahatma Ghandi, or when he killed 1300 french soldiers with a simple order, things are indeed more complicated, and you (goldshack) should feel free to research more about the individual.

As for me, there's a weighing process to measure any man or woman, in that process i choose to judge Che Guevara the way i do, by analyzing the good and bad deeds in contrast with each other, so that i can later come with a conclussion about him.

Unfortunately, for Ernesto Guevara De La Serna (so we know who we are talking about), his bad deeds weigh much more than the good ones (which i am completely unaware of), so that is why i would call him an egomaniacal killer, like so many boring clichés of "the hero fighting for his cause", he believed only in his cause and not in the people, he gave no reprieve to his captured or surrendered enemies, and he didn't care who got in his way, his "cause" was worth more to him than anyone, if you weren't with him, you were against him, and for that you got thrown against a wall and shot to death, not even one chance to save your own soul.

Funny indeed, for a man who criticized "El Imperio".

I'm not gonna get into another Che discussion. I find the guy as a hero, as I think his good outweighs his bad.
But as you see, you have to judge for yourself. Churchill is indeed a great example.

Hell, this is obviously the case with Watchmen. For example, is Rorschach a hero or villain? You have to pick for yourself.

Well, i'm not going to ask Goldshack, he is pretty clear on that one

Thank you for your views on this topic at hand. Just thought I'd ask what are your thoughts on this in advance before I make up my own mind about this whether this man is a revolutionary fighter or simply a mass murderer.



Haha, I think he's a good character in Watchmen and still my favorite characters. Even though I've changed my mind about adopting a black-and-white or a dualistic worldview. However, I still think that it is righteous for us to eliminate those whose actions are detrimental to the society at large, including our lives. Say for example, terrorists or ruffians who promulgate dictatorships of all sorts.

Incidentally, I really admire those real-life costumed heroes in your country, like Shadow Hare for example.

Rorschach is certainly a fantastic character, as half of the Watchmen crew is, even though i don't agree with several of his views.



Sometimes, i have to be honest with myself and admit that i wouldn't lose any sleep if a criminal with countless of deaths on his shoulders suddenly got gunned down in alley, that does not mean that i fully approve of such actions, because criteria and, funny enough, laws, are necessary even for vigilantism, i've known people who want to do as you say, yet, if you gathered them all in a room, it is possible that they would never agree with each other or flatly kill themselves.

And i had absolutely NO IDEA that real superheroes like Shadow Hare existed out there

I tend to think that real life vigilantes like Shadow Hare are a little misguided. Maybe I'm wrong.

Well, he is doing what he can, he won't be saving Cincinnati from giant squids any time soon, but it's something.

Yeah..He was doing something like stopping a mugging when he dislocated his arm. I think that I don't like the publicity aspect of it or the weird costumes. I mean does he really need to dress up as a shadow hare?

I get you, he is putting his life in danger by doing what he does, that much is clear, and in regards to that, it actually is strange how he dislocated his shoulder because apparently he is proficient in mixed martial arts

On the costume matter, you have to understand where Shadow Hare and the "Allegiance Of Heroes" is coming from, this people CLEARLY read comics, there is no question about that, we've heard stories of people practicing vigilantism, and none of the latter are carrying masks with representative symbols.

I have to admit if I had superpowers, I would probably be doing what they're doing but I would still disapprove of them but pretty much only because I had superpowers and they didn't.

The old "I'm not wearing hockey pads." argument. I just wonder how many crimes they have actually intervened in. I'm not trying to imply that they haven't intervened in many; I'm genuinely curious. It just seems more plausible to be a "hero" in far more practical, every day ways.

Oh well. I hope none of them get killed.

This reminds me of "The Pro" by Garth Ennis, and of course, our dear and beloved "Watchmen".

I like those costumed vigilantes anyway, I'm really touched at how they feed and comfort the poor people in their neighborhoods. A confession I must make, however abashed I may be, I wish I would be a vigilante like Rorschach, Punisher and Iron Man one day, if innocent human lives are threatened by soulless villains.

As I've said before, I also admire vigilante groups like the Davao Death Squads in the Philippines and the Bald Knobbers.



Laws as in justifiable laws, my friend. Actually I'm abhorrent of other vigilantes, especially those racially motivated groups like the Ku Klux Klan. And yes, vigilantes would never agree with each other because of differences in ideology or moral codes. As for me, damn those ethical codes which sacrifices justice for blind servitude and duty. I make my own moral codes, weaving them with simple ethics like never take an innocent human life and slaughter inhuman beasts in order to deny their kind the opportunity to install a regime of their respective ideology which can be detrimental to our society at the expense of human lives.

But sadly, regardless of how touched we are by what Shadow Hare and the Allegiance Of Heroes does, their actions are redundant and useless, they will never achieve significant changes in their hometown, or even in the world, if anything, they are only reminding us that somebody else has to fix what they are attempting, that is even one of the many points of Watchmen, superheroes can't solve the world's problems, it doesn't matter how many criminals Rorschach killed or captured, the world would still be at a crisis, people were going to die.



But that's part of the whole dilemma, those are YOUR morals, that is YOUR code, how are we to say that your code is right ? and how do we differentiate an innocent man from an "inhuman beast" ? there can be instances where that line simply becomes to thin to make a radical decision.

One of my heroes would have to be Mr Bob Dylan. I think he was funny, talented, intelligent and he just did his own thing. As far as I know.

Dian Fossey, because she stood for everything I would stand for. She supported active conservation and was actively against poaching. I like her because she dedicated herself to animals, and that's what I plan to do.

Well They may not change the world on a larger scale but if they stop one criminal or help one person then I'd say it was worth it. I kind of sound like I'm going against my own earlier argument here but I'm on the fence about them.

Well, it seems like they've been around for quite some time, so there is a reasonable rate of success to what they are doing, but every time i see news like this, it just reminds me of the people who are doing nothing, specially those who were elected by the public, crime is the sympton of their lazyness and their irresponsibility, Caracas (Venezuela) is the second most dangerous city to live in the world, it's even more dangerous than Baghdad. So if a Shadow Hare or a Mr. Extreme appeared in my hometown, it would certainly remind me why Chavez IS NOT one of my heroes.

Well, at least you could save some lives and have a sense of accomplishment that you've done good in this world. As for me, once I'm in the track of vigilantism, I'm on it for life, just like Mr. Haley's Rorschach. And you must admit however, Rorschach is an Objectivist hero that Ayn Rand had never thought of or imagined. Sure, Sir Alan Moore created him as a model of how a insane Randian hero would look like, but damn, it fascinates me, no clue why. Sorry, I digress.


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Like for example a family man gets killed by some ruffian and nobody does a damn thing to intervene. Actually, my moral codes are based on Ayn Rand's Objectivist ethics. Use violence for self-defense or against those who initiates the use of it.