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I created this thread to discuss abortion and the different opinions surrounding it. I know abortion has been mentioned a few times in the election thread, but I felt it should have it's own topic altogether.

I am pro-choice. I believe that a woman has every right to what grows and lives off of her and that you obtain rights when you are born, not when you are conceived.

I know there are also a lot of pro-lifers out there, so feel free to discuss your opinion and your own reasons for why you believe what you believe.

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"It would be a stronger world, a stronger loving world, to die in."

-John Cale

Sarah Heath* should've had an abortion


*not the golfer

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What a thread...

The on going battle of life and death.

I am so not pro choice...

I have two kids and have been to every ultra sound, that is a living person anyway you look at it.

That is my opioin, so their ya go!
I replied to your thread

Do you have kids stronglovingworld?

This is always a pretty volatile topic.

I'm pro-choice. Abortion's a moral gray area for me, but there are a lot of very valid reasons to get one. Some people look down on those who opt to abort a fetus with a known serious birth defect, but honestly that's one of the situations where I can unequivocally say I would make the same choice. Leaving it alive to suffer a hopeless life of pain and misery is a greater sin in my mind than killing it.

Honestly I see abortion as a necessary evil, something that shouldn't be encouraged but should always be safely and legally available. No one's making these choices easily. If someone wants to avoid having a baby badly enough to get an abortion, they should be allowed to get one.

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No I do not have kids, I'm just voicing my opinion based on what I know.

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"It would be a stronger world, a stronger loving world, to die in."

-John Cale

Just curious...
It definetly effects the way you look at babies, beating hearts, children and your wife, girlfriend whoever is prego.

At least it did for me

It's a fact that if technology like this exists, people will find it somehow. If you ban it, it WILL lead to an unsafe black market just as it have in many other countries. So trying to minimize the number of accidental conception and problems which arise from these is probably a much more realistic plan. Simple things like a good sex ed. program help dramatically, but I think financial aid to low income parents could be another way to make people less fearful of how they are going to manage the situation. If you can afford a nanny or have relatives which can help you, you probably don't need any help from the government.

I think the main problem with this issue is that you only have a black and white scenario to choose from most of the time. You have few people that say "pro-choice with exceptions" or "pro-life with exceptions". This kind of thinking basically leads to the line of thinking where you are basically considering whether fascism or anarchism is the best way to solve the problem.

For example if you are pro-life, you really don't take into consideration the realistic consequences of the system, which is that black markets will rise up and take the governments place. While at the same time if you are pro-choice, your basically supporting a "no questions asked" kind of system, which will probably lead to people simply not valuing unborn human life. You need limits and you need some freedom, otherwise you end up with apathetic, immoral and unrealistic systems.

I think one of the problems is the use of the words "pro life" and "pro choice". I feel that it should be a woman's rite to have a child or not. However, I would hope that they would have the child rather than abort it. I think everyone is "pro life", but there can be circumstances where abortion is seen to be the only option.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

Right, if it gets banned in the U.S. (which is very unlikely) then it would open up a dangerous black market where doctors are literally doing abortions in their garages. I'm all for birth control and contraceptives and I'd much prefer that over abortion. Women should just have the choice to what is theirs. As long as that baby is in the woman and growing off of her, the baby belongs to the woman.

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"It would be a stronger world, a stronger loving world, to die in."

-John Cale

The problem I see here is deciding where to draw the line. If you're "pro-choice with exceptions," what are the exceptions to be? What are the situations that make abortion completely unacceptable? ("Pro-life with exceptions" is easier to define.)

I don't think allowing abortions makes people less likely to value unborn human life, either.

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Yikes. What a topic. Volatile, but absolutely worthy of discussion. Might as well put in my two cents.

First of all, I don't appreciate the phrases "pro-choice" and "pro-life." Every reasonable person is both in favor of choice and in favor of life. Abortion is a totally separate issue.

Secondly, there are quite a few times when pregnancy can endanger the life of the mother. Diabetes, for example, carries a high risk of miscarriage. If childbirth could potentially kill both mother and child, I don't care how you slice it. That fetus must be aborted.

Then there's the issue of "Sanctity of Life." With all respect, I think this is a crock. In a world where millions of people are killed and tortured in war and slavery; where people are killed every day for egregious crimes; where doctors, insurance agents and undertakers charge through the nose to deliver, take care of and bury people; I can't understand how anyone can think that life is sacred. Moreover, there's the charge that all children want to be born. This implies that pre-born children have emotions and thoughts. How, in Heaven or on Earth, can anyone possibly have emotions or ideas before they are capable of conscious thought?

Finally, there's this simple fact: There are too many people. In 1975, there were 4 billion people on Earth. In the late 80's, we hit 5 billion. In 2000, we hit 6 billion. You do the math. We are growing at an exponential rate and it won't be long before the planet is unable to sustain us. Certainly, I don't propose mass murder or genocide to slow that trend. Birth control is the best -- and possibly the only -- solution to keep the birth rate down. To that end, I don't think that any method of birth control should be taken off the table.

To be clear, I don't like the idea of killing babies before they even technically exist. However, I recognize that it can be a necessary evil and I hate the hypocrisy and ignorance of common so-called "pro-life" arguments.

At the same time, I recognize that it is a volatile and debatable issue. You could argue either way that a fetus is a human being. I respect that. CSFRITZ, for example, is clearly a family man who loves his children and can't bear the thought of what life would be like if they had been aborted. His attitude is nothing short of honorable and I'll say nothing against it.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

You should definitely not have an abortion, then.



Holy shit, that may be the most radical thing I've ever seen anyone say.



Until men can get pregnant, I don't think that they should even voice their ignorant opinion about this issue.

I'm a father of two, just in case anyone's curious.

If two people have been a relationship for several years, have a sounds financial situation and are both of excellent health. What reason could you have for not having the child? Just not wanting it or not feeling ready is not enough in my mind.

Curiosity Inc. : The best way to lower the birth rate is simply to raise the standard of living, that's a fact.

I can agree with both of your points. But then, I'm sure that greater contraceptive use would lower the birth rate as well.

When I made my earlier comment, I was referring to condom use and birth control pills as well as abortion. In retrospect, lumping the latter with the former two may have been a little extreme.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if fewer people get pregnant, there will obviously be less need for abortion. That means greater contraceptive use, which would certainly be easier to accomplish with a higher standard of living.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Broken Finger, what you've said is so wise, I will refrain from posting my opinion on this topic.

Case closed.

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Heeheehee.

Broken Finger, I think I like you.

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If you really liked me, you'd post some pics of you and your "dress-up fetish" that was mentioned in another thread.

I think everyone here would agree that idea needs to be aborted.

ba-dump-bump.

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i dunno, it sounds like this fetish, I mean fetus should be allowed to live...

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Believe me, honey, it's not anywhere near as exciting to people who are not INTERESTED in costuming on that level.


MOST LIKELY.

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