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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:29 pm 
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I'm still waiting for my contradictory statement.

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:12 pm 
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I'm still waiting for my contradictory statement.


You argue that people are responsible for the decisions they make before having sex, yet you also hold them at fault for using the most effective methods of contraception.

You refuse to see the reality of this issue, instead claiming that the only real solution is abstinence, which is at best, idiotic.

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:33 pm 
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You argue that people are responsible for the decisions they make before having sex, yet you also hold them at fault for using the most effective methods of contraception.


No, don't twist my words. I hold them at fault for ignoring the fact that those contraceptive methods are not 100% effective.

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You refuse to see the reality of this issue, instead claiming that the only real solution is abstinence, which is at best, idiotic.


Abstinence is the solution for those who don't want to accept the responsibility. Why is it idiotic? And what is the reality of this issue that I'm not seeing?

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:44 pm 
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No, don't twist my words. I hold them at fault for ignoring the fact that those contraceptive methods are not 100% effective.


Alexrd, you're a cool, clear, level-headed guy.

But how many times do I have to repeat that there are no 100% effective methods, and that people don't ignore those facts ?

They are aware of them, but they still want to be able to express themselves and to enjoy the pleasures that come from having sex, people have the right to have sex, as much as you like to read comics, watch television, play videogames or watch movies, and it's nobody's business other than those involved in the act.

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Abstinence is the solution for those who don't want to accept the responsibility. Why is it idiotic? And what is the reality of this issue that I'm not seeing?


It's idiotic because people don't need to be forced to relinquish the right to express their sexuality.

Dogs do it, as well as cats, elephants, pengüins, giraffes, eagles, hawks, whales, sharks, etc.

It's natural, and people have every right to express themselves in that manner, as long as they are being responsible about it, that is, using condoms or taking pills.

Abstinence is not a solution, supporting abstinence is trying to cover the sun with your pinky and expect not to get a tan.

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
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feliciano182 wrote:
Alexrd, you're a cool, clear, level-headed guy.


Thanks.

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But how many times do I have to repeat that there are no 100% effective methods, and that people don't ignore those facts ?


If they don't ignore that fact, then why do they abort? They knew it was a risky, and they took that risk (willingly).

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They are aware of them, but they still want to be able to express themselves and to enjoy the pleasures that come from having sex, people have the right to have sex, as much as you like to read comics, watch television, play videogames or watch movies, and it's nobody's business other than those involved in the act.


People have the right to have sex, and have the duty to bear with the consequences.

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It's idiotic because people don't need to be forced to relinquish the right to express their sexuality.

Dogs do it, as well as cats, elephants, pengüins, giraffes, eagles, hawks, whales, sharks, etc.


All those animals don't abort.

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It's natural, and people have every right to express themselves in that manner, as long as they are being responsible about it, that is, using condoms or taking pills.


And take care of their children in the event of getting pregrant.

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Abstinence is not a solution, supporting abstinence is trying to cover the sun with your pinky and expect not to get a tan.


No. Again, abstinence is the solution for those who don't want to bear with the possible consequences of having sex. Why do I need to repeat myself?

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:06 pm 
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Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
feliciano182 wrote:
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No contraception method is 100% effective, even the most effective ones, which are precisely condoms and contraceptive pills, are 97-98% effective, that means that every time you have sex, you're gambling, granted, it's a big gamble at aproximately 1 to 100, but it's there, and no matter how many condoms you use, or how many pills you take, you are still bound by chance.


Exactly.


Sense. Any of it is not present here.


No, he's saying that you have it right, it's a gamble, and when people gamble they are eventually going to lose.

If you think about it, sex is probably the least fucked up human activity.
The way I see it, conservatism when it comes to sex is nothing but perversion. Any implication that sex is a Bad Thing is perverted. You are a pervert.

...the way I see it.

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:08 pm 
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^ Oh snap !

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
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Of course, the solution to not wanting an accidental baby is anal.

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
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Or oral. Or mutual masturbation. Or dry-humping. Or phone sex.

Seriously, there's no shortage of ways to do something sexual without actual sex.

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
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AYBGerrardo wrote:
Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
feliciano182 wrote:
Alexrd wrote:
feliciano182 wrote:
No contraception method is 100% effective, even the most effective ones, which are precisely condoms and contraceptive pills, are 97-98% effective, that means that every time you have sex, you're gambling, granted, it's a big gamble at aproximately 1 to 100, but it's there, and no matter how many condoms you use, or how many pills you take, you are still bound by chance.


Exactly.


Sense. Any of it is not present here.


No, he's saying that you have it right, it's a gamble, and when people gamble they are eventually going to lose.

If you think about it, sex is probably the least fucked up human activity.
The way I see it, conservatism when it comes to sex is nothing but perversion. Any implication that sex is a Bad Thing is perverted. You are a pervert.

...the way I see it.


I never said ssex was bad, I've said it's a gamble, but I've never said it was bad... people love gambling, it's a multi million dollar industry. I didn't say it was bad, I said it has consequences, but everything does

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
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Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
I never said ssex was bad, I've said it's a gamble, but I've never said it was bad... people love gambling, it's a multi million dollar industry. I didn't say it was bad, I said it has consequences, but everything does


I don't quite understand. Did you say that sex was bad?

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Smutty wrote:
Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
I never said ssex was bad, I've said it's a gamble, but I've never said it was bad... people love gambling, it's a multi million dollar industry. I didn't say it was bad, I said it has consequences, but everything does


I don't quite understand. Did you say that sex was bad?


well I didn't say it wasn't good

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Or oral. Or mutual masturbation. Or dry-humping. Or phone sex.

Seriously, there's no shortage of ways to do something sexual without actual sex.


There. No excuse for abortions then.

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Alexrd wrote:
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Or oral. Or mutual masturbation. Or dry-humping. Or phone sex.

Seriously, there's no shortage of ways to do something sexual without actual sex.


There. No excuse for abortions then.


Are you for real?

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
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Smutty wrote:
Are you for real?


Partially (I still see no valid excuse for abortion). Maybe a tongue in cheek smile would have helped there.

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Alexrd wrote:
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Are you for real?


Partially (I still see no valid excuse for abortion). Maybe a tongue in cheek smile would have helped there.


How old are you?

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
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Alexrd wrote:
(I still see no valid excuse for abortion).

Didn't you see the video I posted?
If you did, did you identify with the monsters the man confronts?

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it was tying it into the rape-revenge stories and making light of a verys erious sub-genre that kind of offended me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:31 pm 
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Smutty wrote:
How old are you?


Why is that relevant?

AYBGerrardo wrote:
Didn't you see the video I posted?


Yes.

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If you did, did you identify with the monsters the man confronts?


No. Why should I? Did you read my replies on this thread?

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
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Alexrd wrote:
Smutty wrote:
How old are you?


Why is that relevant?

AYBGerrardo wrote:
Didn't you see the video I posted?


Yes.

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If you did, did you identify with the monsters the man confronts?


No. Why should I? Did you read my replies on this thread?

You're being so contradictory, it's making my brain hurt a little.

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 Post subject: Re: The Abortion Issue
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Godziller66 wrote:
You're being so contradictory, it's making my brain hurt a little.


Again? Where am I being contradictory? I'll repost my first post on this thread, to clarify you all:

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I am against abortion, except when in cases of rape or when the mother's life is at risk. I never understood the arguments of those who are pro-choice. People did have a choice. People knew the risks. Abortion is promoting irresponsibility.

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