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Well, there certainly is no point in denying that fetuses look horrible when aborted, it's the truth.

But I can't agree with something that blatantly tries to manipulate people with representations that insult the intelligence of the viewer.

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Which is why I dislike MSNBC

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@RealSlimCAvery

That works for both sides.

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like the "Well, an acorn's not a tree" arguement

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@RealSlimCAvery

Eh, I'm pro choice and I don't like that image, a foetus is more like a sapling than an acorn, you can't abort when an embryo is just 2 cells.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

But even when a tree is full grow you can chop it up with no remorse, the roblem I have with analogies like this is that it compares human life to a chicken, a dress, and a tree, and human life is more precious than any of those

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@RealSlimCAvery

I am against abortion, except when in cases of rape or when the mother's life is at risk. I never understood the arguments of those who are pro-choice. People did have a choice. People knew the risks. Abortion is promoting irresponsibility.

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This, i agree with all of it

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@RealSlimCAvery

This is certainly a polarizing issue, which I mostly refuse to discuss with my friends. That said this is the Internet, where you're allowed to voice your opinions without the worry of getting your shit kicked and by-god I'm going for it!

I think with the fact that you can go to Walmart, buy a gun then walk into the woods and shoot the first animal you see with no remorse or legal problems then I don't see why you can't abort a fetus. I don't consider ahuman more worthy of life then animals seeing that humans have done a good job of fucking everything over already, why do they feel like they're better? Hypothetically, if we were to encounter an alien race with superior intelligence who saw us as simply mindless sheep and saught to slaughter us, wouldn't you really be opposed to this?

I agree with Curiousity, it's a nice way to keep the population from going up. People tend to justify hunting with controling the population, abortion can be the same (and probably a little better considering the baby has yet to be born). I'm sure my reasoning has flaws, however big or small this is my thinking and maybe it'll change, maybe one of you cats can persuade me otherwise but until then I think as long as the murder of life like animals is applied, then the same can go for abortion. I, being as liberal as I am, would genuinely be in favor of outlawing abortion if at the same time hunting was outlawed. Basically either the world allows murder or it doesn't, I prefer the standards to be consistent heh

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Fire Rises

Then you don't mind that I kill you then, because since the murder of animals has no jurisdiction, the same should be applied to people. Just trying to be consistent here. Either the world allows murder or it doesn't.

To avoid any misconceptions, I'm not trying to kill you. Just pointing out a flaw on your logic.

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Good point. I would protest my murder, akin to what an animal would do having been pre-informed of it's assistant and given the chance to object to it. I'm not actually saying "fuck it, if we can murder cows let's just start slaughtering eachother". I'd prefer if nothing is killed. But I find it so hard that the same people who are "pro-life" are at the same time alright going home and eating some chicken. As someone said earlier, it's hard to make it one way or another because it relies on moral-standards, which differ from one to another (though this could be used to justify the legalization of other, more horrifying acts).

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Fire Rises

I like how above "The Abortion Issue" there is a button to "Talk About Anything Else"

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Fire Rises

Well, I think it's literally natural to kill animals (or plants), but never in excess. It's food, and people need food to survive. But that is an whole other issue.



To live.

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I don't eat animals and I live.

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Fire Rises

That's fine. But human beings are omnivorous. How can you judge them just because they eat food that they are adapted for?

P.S: How did we end up talking about food on a topic about abortion?

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I just think we're past the point we need to eat meat.

Y'know, after posting here I've been putting alot of thought into my beliefs. It's hypocritical of me using those defenses but eating plants. I'm also thinking hard about my view on abortion, I think I spoke too soon. Hurm. This is exciting.

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Fire Rises

I'm a vegetarian also, and I'm pro-life but the fact of the matter is that from either a humanst/evolutionary approach or a creationist/theological approach humans are superior to other animals from evolution (this should be obvious) or from scripture where Adam is placed in charge of the animals of earth.

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@RealSlimCAvery

Hitler was a vegetarian.

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"That's good. You've taken your first step into a larger world."

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Since my initial post three years ago, I've come to a few other conclusions. May as well put them down here, so long as the thread's been bumped.

To start with, I think that a good rule of thumb (for American politics, anyway) is that when in doubt -- that's a very important qualifier, when in doubt -- go with the option that allows for more personal freedom. To quote George Carlin, "Even in a fake democracy, people should get what they want every once in a while. Just to feed the illusion that we're really in charge."

Secondly, it's common sense that illegal operations are seldom carried out safely. How likely is it that unlawful surgery is going to be done by a certified doctor with properly sterilized equipment? Additionally, no one is going to keep records of who goes in for illegal surgeries, and none of the patients are likely to admit their involvement either. This means scarce and/or unreliable data, which means that the rate of abortions can't be kept track of or studied. No, it's much better to keep the procedure closely regulated to keep the doctors honest, the patients safe, and to provide an accurate idea of exactly how common abortions are and why.

This brings me to my third point, which is something I've already alluded to earlier in the thread: Abortion is just a symptom of a larger cause. No woman would ever abort a baby that wasn't wanted, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that "unwanted baby" = "unwanted pregnancy." So logically, anyone who's against abortions should also be in favor of better sex education, as well as contraceptives that are easier to obtain and use. Just deal with underage and unwanted pregnancies, and you'll be dealing with abortion in a way that isn't nearly as controversial.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.