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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:40 pm 
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So now it's that "most deffinitely he will turn out to be a fraud"?


Alright, kill me then :lol:

But it still doesn't change the fact that there is nothing about Obama that will make him worthy of anyone's admiration, nor of anyone's approval.


It can't be that he has the most diverse background of any of the presidents? He's half white, half-black, he grew up in Asia when he was really little, he actually WORKED HARD to become successful. The fact that he is actually intelligent. Compare that to Palin. It's crazy how a person like her almost became vice-president. And she may have actually become president if McCain were to die in office.

No, compared to his competitors, he had a lot going for him to make him worthy of admiration.


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It can't be that he has the most diverse background of any of the presidents? He's half white, half-black, he grew up in Asia when he was really little, he actually WORKED HARD to become successful. The fact that he is actually intelligent. Compare that to Palin. It's crazy how a person like her almost became vice-president. And she may have actually become president if McCain were to die in office.

It's weird that John McCain wouldn't say that he would endorse Palin to run for President in 2012. I mean he picked her for would be vice-president. Of course, the only reason he did that was to have a gimmick by having this unknown woman governor as his running mate to try to influence voters in his favor and it completely blew up in his face. I lost what respect I had of him when he did that because that pretty much means that he put his own winning ahead of the welfare of the country.

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To do that wouldn't he kind of need to cite examples from the previous administration?


He wouldn't need to make half of his campaign about Bush, at least not if he had presented a coherent agenda.

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It can't be that he has the most diverse background of any of the presidents? He's half white, half-black, he grew up in Asia when he was really little, he actually WORKED HARD to become successful. The fact that he is actually intelligent. Compare that to Palin. It's crazy how a person like her almost became vice-president. And she may have actually become president if McCain were to die in office.


Believe me man, i seriously mean no offense.

But why should you give a shit about that ? you had to pick an individual that was capable enough to occupy the most important position in the country and you considered as something important that he was half-black and that he lived in Asia among many things ? how does that make him capable of taking charge of an entire nation ?

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Sorry, just had a long night...

I will admit however, Obama's whole campaign was based around Obama v.s Bush. Yeah it was a political gimmick. But then again most campaigns are based around one. I'm still not going to let him off on that one.


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Every politician ever has based their campaign around what the previous administration did. In order to bring change, you kind of have to mention what it is you're changing, which are often policies of the previous administration.

I think you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

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Every politician ever has based their campaign around what the previous administration did. In order to bring change, you kind of have to mention what it is you're changing, which are often policies of the previous administration.

I think you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.


Not really, it wasn't the only bad thing i mentioned about him, what about his agenda ? it didn't made sense before, and neither is it making any now, he says he wants to support diplomatic relationships with many countries that are considered as threats, yet he himself said once that if Pakistan did not cooperate on the "War On Terror" (take notice, a term made up by Bush's administration) he would bomb the mountains in which many extremist groups were supposedly hiding.

Or what about his plans for the economy? i seriously did not like McCain as a candidate, but he knocked down Obama's solution for the recession, he told him, on the presidential debate, that Obama's plan would simply be to spend more money, billions of dollars, to which Obama had no response at all, and once again as the talented politician he is, tried to appeal to the sentimental value of "the cost of war", something that had nothing to do with the issue at hand. Certainly McCain had no solution at all to the economy, but that doesn't make Obama's plan any more acceptable.

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feliciano182 wrote:
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Every politician ever has based their campaign around what the previous administration did. In order to bring change, you kind of have to mention what it is you're changing, which are often policies of the previous administration.

I think you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.


Not really, it wasn't the only bad thing i mentioned about him, what about his agenda ? it didn't made sense before, and neither is it making any now, he says he wants to support diplomatic relationships with many countries that are considered as threats, yet he himself said once that if Pakistan did not cooperate on the "War On Terror" (take notice, a term made up by Bush's administration) he would bomb the mountains in which many extremist groups were supposedly hiding.

Or what about his plans for the economy? i seriously did not like McCain as a candidate, but he knocked down Obama's solution for the recession, he told him, on the presidential debate, that Obama's plan would simply be to spend more money, billions of dollars, to which Obama had no response at all, and once again as the talented politician he is, tried to appeal to the sentimental value of "the cost of war", something that had nothing to do with the issue at hand. Certainly McCain had no solution at all to the economy, but that doesn't make Obama's plan any more acceptable.

Okay first of all that kind of would make Obama's plan better. Plan > No plan, in my opinion.

But News Flash: You have to pump money into the economy to get it working.

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But News Flash: You have to pump money into the economy to get it working.


But THAT much money ? and why couldn't he support his statement when McCain asked him ? nobody here can say that Obama is not good with words :lol:

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But THAT much money ? and why couldn't he support his statement when McCain asked him ? nobody here can say that Obama is not good with words :lol:


Could you perhaps link to a video of this epic, massive blunder Obama made when debating so we have a little more to go off of than your recollection of events?

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But THAT much money ? and why couldn't he support his statement when McCain asked him ? nobody here can say that Obama is not good with words :lol:


Could you perhaps link to a video of this epic, massive blunder Obama made when debating so we have a little more to go off of than your recollection of events?


Well, i feel like shit.

I thought i saw the thing on the first McCain/Obama debate, guess my recollection wasn't as spotless as i thought, from this video i can only say that McCain negatively accussed Obama several times about his economical plan, but Obama never fully gave a response as to why his plan was better than cutting spending, in any case, neither did McCain gave solid support to his plan.

Here is the video in any case http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-nNIEduEOw

Even though i'm not impressed by Obama in any of the subjects, i can't say the same about McCain.

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