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Anyone know any? Anyone who's a real life hero to you?

Well I haven't done anything that I would call heroic....I just live my life trying to be a good person but I've never done anything that I would call really heroic.

My dad did save the lives of 2 people back in the 70's though before I was born. He doesn't refer to himself as a hero though and hardly even talks about that event but basically my dad was in a boat and he saw this couple and their kid in a canoe and anyway they weren't wearing life jackets and they weren't sitting in the canoe properly either since you aren't suppose to put weight on the sides of a canoe. Anyway, it flipped and they didn't know how to swim. The dad somehow made it to shore but they were far away from anything and he just sat there crying in shock. My dad went over to the kid and his mom though and pulled them out....and apparently the lady grabbed my dad's arm so hard that it left a bruise. My dad had been kind of unsure of if he should save them at first, since he didn't want to get pulled in and drowned by the paniced lady and because it was her own fault that she was in that bad situation but he couldn't just sit there and watch either, especially because of the kid. He didn't want the little boy to die because his mom did something stupid by not putting him in a life jacket and by not knowing how to sit properly in a canoe. And of course my dad wasn't going to just save the kid and let his mom drown.....but he mainly did it for the kid.

Anyway, when I was baptised as a baby it was done by this guy who had been in the Dutch resitence back in WWII. I don't know everything about them but it was basically a group of civilians who didn't like the Nazis and decided to go against them. He was a civilian who decided to fight evil, killing the enemy and protecting people. He was even captured and tortured once by the Nazis but he didn't tell them anything. They couldn't get any info out of him. I actually know the guy a bit. He's still alive. He lives on the street down from mine and I say hi to him sometimes. I'm not sure how my family first came to know him but I think they've known him for a while. My dad and his family lived in the Netherlands back when WWII happened.

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My real life hero is Bruce Lee, he has inspired me on so many levels

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Here's two good examples of real life heroes.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30061180/ ... ay_people/
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/32669599/ ... ?GT1=43001

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Che Guevara
Malcolm X
Subcomandante Marcos
Alfonso Cuaron
Guillermo Del Toro

There are a few of mine.

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

Why on earth would these two people be heroes to anyone ?



Not to say anything offensive against your neighbor, but the dutch resistance was an anti-semitic group, they didn't like the nazis, but they didn't like the jews either.

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Because Che fought for the people who were oppressed in Cuba, and because he has become a symbol of revolution for every oppressed person in Latin America, including my people in Mexico.

As for Marcos, why wouldn't he? He fights for the freedoms of the indigenous people of Mexico, and protects them from militias who are as usual trying to take their land and take advantage of them. Once again, why wouldn't he be a hero? I can't think of any bad things he's done, especially when compared to Che.

I welcome discussion on this.

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

Che killed people who disagreed with him, he submitted the followers of Batista to botched trials in which they had no legal defense, and executed them on the basis that they were not with the revolution.



I will be honest, i haven't done much research on Marcos, so i'll be conservative when talking about the guy, but seeing how communist "freedom fighters" are carbon copies of the previous ones, then i'll just carefully make inference about him.

Before you say anything, i'll say that i do not hate nor dissaprove of communism, i believe it is a system that the world will never get to see working properly, mainly because of the people who represented it, sadly.

And i'm from Venezuela, i'm tired of hearing about Che Guevara from Chavez, too tired.

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I don't really like Chavez. To me he simply wants to get attention. I have no idea what his government is like, so I'm limiting my views to what I've seen and read about him personally.

As for Che, of course he did bad things. It was war, and war is always disgusting and ugly. I have compared the good he did with the bad, and he is still my hero. I'm not saying he's perfect. There are several things he did that disgust me, but it's not enough for me to say he's an "evil commie." He did much more good than bad, and I believe he left the Cuban people in a much better state than they had been with Batista. And having spoken to many Cubans regarding the subject, they seem to agree.

Marcos is a near saint. I know and have talked to people who have not only met him, but worked with him to help the people in Chiapas. He cares about the poor of Mexico and their well being. Do the EZLN seem frightening? Certainly. Are they dangerous people? Only if you are. Do they simply want social justice for themselves? yes. Unfortunately, achieving social justice isn't easy.

So far, the EZLN have never been in any truly violent uprising. They revolted in order to be known and open the eyes of the world to their struggle, but they have never been in ANY combat or anything.

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

Oh it's not only about atention, believe me, ask away if you ever feel curious.



"Evil commie" is propaganda, a brainwasher's term, if we do agree on something, it is on the use that has been given to those words.

But, that does not mean that my opinion is any different about Che Guevara, i'm not to trying to be offensive, but this man killed people exactly like Pinochet and "El Chivo" did, without a chance for justification, without mercy, without trial was it really necessary? absolutely not, was it worth it? absolutely not, know what they eat back in Cuba? "masa cárnica", not even real meat, their medicines are obsolete, freedom of speech is completely repressed, even talking bad about Castro is a punishable offense.

I also know some people that believe that Cuba is in it's worse times, i guess it's your word against mine, but i'd rather believe in mine with the amount of cubans living in Little Havana, there is certainly a reason to why those people went to Miami on improvised rafts in a sea filled with sharks.



A man who calls himself "The Sub-Commander" because he tells the people that they are the real commander seems more to me like something Obama or Chavez would say, all flash, no substance.

As i said, i'll reserve my comments on this guy, but if i have to say something it's that in my opinion he doesn't seem to be any different to what has come before.

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Well I don't mean to offend, but nothing you say will change my opinion. Not about Cuba, not about Che, Certainly not about Marcos, and even less about Obama.

The people I know from Cuba speak freely, live happily, love Che, and like Fidel. I'm guessing they like Raul as well. And the Cubans I know who live here in the US are arrogant jackasses who have no valid argument for anything. They seem like the people who would love to exploit lower classes. Of course I only know a handful of Cubans, both here and in Cuba, so that's who I'm talking about. I'm not trying to generalize them all.

And Marcos and the EZLN don't really consider themselves Communist, Socialist, etc.

To add to my list of heroes:

President Barack Obama
Benito Juarez
MLK

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

That's merely your opinion, one very far from the truth.



Something to look for in the future, of course, not all "freedom fighters" are necessarily left wing, one would only have to look Africa and that would be proof enough.



Oh man...

This is gonna be fun

This guy makes a couple of good speeches at the right places and takes the world by storm, he is a hero in the hearts of everyone for simply doing absolutely nothing, fantastic!

For the sake of the topic, some heroes of mine:

Malcolm X

Steve Harris

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COMMENCE DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

I have my own reasons for having Obama as a hero, and it has nothing to do with his speeches. I'm not going to bother explaining it, but I can tell you I'm not one of the ignorant idiots who idolize him for no apparent reason.

And please don't quote me out of context. I can pull the same argument on you.

YOUR opinions are far from the truth. See? Doesn't do much, but whatever.

And your point of freedom fighters not being left wing? You said you didn't like Marcos because he's a communist leader and poser. I'm simply pointing out that you're generalizing the EZLN. You're saying he's all talk and no action. You might as well be saying the same thing about Malcolm.

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

You have the right to your opinion, there are some facts i may not know about SC Marcos, but if somebody called him hero it'd make more sense than calling Obama the same thing when he has done nothing at all.



I didn't quote you out of context, i merely emphasized what was worth replying.



As a matter of fact i did acknowledged your statement as correct and that Marcos was not a communist, talk about quoting out of context.

I wonder now that maybe if you came to Venezuela and talked to a few members of the PSUV party you'd be fully convinced that Chavez was the second coming.

The difference between Malcolm X was that he did believe what he said, he didn't have a political powerhouse and public speech advisors like Barack "The Fraud" Obama, he did not support any form of unprovoked violence, like Che Guevara did, and yes, he was a communist, talked to Castro and was tailed by the FBI, i don't see anything wrong with that, and i do not have any problem with anyone in these times who believes in communism, i have a problem with people who believe in fairy tales with such ease.

Above all, Malcolm X raised the morale of his people, told them they were worthy, that they were citizens who should be proud of who they were, and that the constitution and the law protected their rights as individuals.

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Doesn't that make your post a bit redundant? What's the point in posting who your heroes are on a discussion board if you're not going to bother to say why or talk about them?

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I'll go ahead and reply without quoting.

First, Obama is my hero, but he's nowhere near as big a hero as the others I listed.

Second, I'm sorry I misinterpreted a bit of your posts. My bad

Third, it's funny that the way you describe Malcolm, you could very well be describing Marcos. In fact, you've opened my eyes to just how big the similarity is between him and Marcos. You should research him a bit more, you might end up liking him.

As for my post being redundant, Sasso, I don't feel it is. I don't want to bother discussing the president, because it could very well turn into pro-Obama vs. anti-Obama thread, and I've had enough of that at this point. I've been going through discussions about Obama since '06, and I feel there are much more worthwhile arguments and discussions that don't involve him. My reasons for him being my hero are very personal, and I don't feel the need to explain.

As for my other heroes, I'm quite enjoying the discussion.

On a personal note to feliciano182, it's good to have another hispanic/latino on the forum. Not to mention a fan of Malcolm

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

Will do, he certainly seems like an interesting individual.



Thanks man, same to you.

Anyways, to keep the discussion going, another hero worth mentioning:

Winston Churchill

Tough man, i personally disagreed with many of his decisions, but he had good judgement and with it he showed the harsh and terrible truth, that the future of the world was at stake, and that action was necessary.

He even had his "bouts" with none other than Ghandi himself !

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Point of interest:

Ultimately, it's important to remember that nobody's perfect. Even our most treasured role models are still fallible and flawed human beings. The real question, then, is which human beings did extraordinary things that inspire us in spite of their flaws and past transgressions.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

^ I left him off the list (along with Ghandi), but they should be included in there.

And how could I forget Emiliano Zapata.

Feliciano, here are a few interviews with Subcomandante Marcos. This is by no means thorough, but it's a good starting point to spark you curiosity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UON1CrSj ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OTy3aLBSMw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8OGghITYbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlKEWBeBqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLssf72C3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcWolB5nIcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMRyPnQGRks

Check them out. If anything, they'll be interesting.

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

Will do, i'll get back to you later on this.

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