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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:19 pm 
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Recently, I read a story on the new ad in California that proposes to legalize marijuana. The idea is to help the state of California get out of its deficit by taxing marijuana and alcohol. I started this topic in order to discuss this specifically and the legalization of marijuana in general. Personally, I am firmly against marijuana for anything other than medicinal purposes and am completely against the legalization of this drug for recreational purposes. I'd really like to hear your opinions on this issue. Here's the story I was talking about: http://www.rr.com/news/news/article/111 ... budget_fix

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I think a certain amount should be legal. I see no problem in having it legalized whatsoever. And by the way, I've never touched the stuff, so I'm not just saying it 'cause I'm some pothead or something.

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Personally, I think that next to the other illegal drugs out there (meth, heroin, crack, etc.), marijuana looks relatively harmless. I simply can't justify locking up so many people over marijuana abuse when our prisons are already overcrowded.

No, I think that marijuana needs to be privatized. Give it to Marlboro, Kool, Newport et al. and let them work their marketing magic. Let them make it affordable and available to adults who know the risks involved, then watch as the illegal marijuana trafficking goes down while the corporate and marijuana taxes come rolling in.

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While I agree that marijuana is relatively harmless, compared to something legal like alcohol even, I don't think we need more drugs readily available in a country already full of them just in order to profit off of it. To me, in a perfect world cigarettes wouldn't be legal but there are already too many people addicted to nicotine. And Diego what do you mean by a certain amount?

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Marijuana's illegalization is a relic of the anti-Communism drug wars. It has no reason to be illegal in modern society and most of the misconceptions surrounding it stem from an incredibly deceptive ad campaign.

It's no more dangerous than cigarettes. Legalize it and watch the cash flow in.

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I think marijuana just promotes laziness and stupidity. I think that a person in pain due to a medical condition could benefit from marijuana but using it for a recreational purpose is irresponsible. There are other ways to relax than by using inhalants.

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Marijuana's illegalization is a relic of the anti-Communism drug wars. It has no reason to be illegal in modern society and most of the misconceptions surrounding it stem from an incredibly deceptive ad campaign.

It's no more dangerous than cigarettes. Legalize it and watch the cash flow in.


I agree.

I tried once, a couple of years ago in a party. Since I didn't experience some wacky vision, or a muscular relaxation, I said "Nevermore". Dunno, I can't see the big harm in legalizing it.

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I will comment more on this when I have time.

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marijuana from back in the day is harmless (when all you got was a leaf wrapped up in a joint), not the crap being sold on the streets now. only reason legalization is even considered is because of taxes. but there's a psychological side to it as well. kids who do it because it's illegal will think that A) it's no longer cool if it's OTC B) now that it's legal, i can do it all i want. of course there will be age limits, so that will affect things as well. i doubt it will be passed though.


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Kids don't smoke marijuana because it's illegal any more than any other crime is committed because it's illegal. I think that's a pretty phony argument that's also used in the effort to get the drinking age in America reduced to eighteen years old. Smoking cigarettes is legal as long as you're eighteen but I used to see a ton of kids that age smoking on the railroad tracks at my school not to mention custodians and faculty.

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Kids don't smoke marijuana because it's illegal any more than any other crime is committed because it's illegal.


I think you'd be surprised.

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Godziller66 wrote:
using it for a recreational purpose is irresponsible. There are other ways to relax than by using inhalants.


The former is merely an opinion of yours that has no basis in fact, and the latter is not your choice for anyone outside of yourself.

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I think that marijuana needs to be privatized.


Not privatized, government regulated and controlled. I am all for the legalization of marijuana for whatever purpose the user deems fit. You can't say that recreational use of the drug is bad, because folks use alcohol and cigarettes for recreation all the time. Those drugs do the same things, if not worse things, to your body that marijuana does: kill brain cells and get you stoned (alcohol) or make you feel better (cigarettes' nicotine). Just as many, if not more deaths are caused by alcohol and cigarettes each year as the result of drunk driving and emphysema/lung cancer (nevermind the effects of secondhand smoke on innocent people) as there are deaths in connection with marijuana. I haven't looked this assertion up, but someone who wants to is bound to find some kind of info. I'm sure the figures are at least comparable. So why have certain ones legalized and not the other?

Conservative America. That's why. The Christian Coalition and Mothers Against Having Fun would be ALL OVER THAT in a heartbeat. " 'Reefer Madness!' It's 'reefer madness!' It's a DRUG!!!! " Bulletin people: so is alcohol, cigarettes, viagra, cough medicine and caffeine. The list goes on. Marijuana is seen now as the "gateway drug," as if that colossal load of bullshit had any basis in fact, and conservative America will definitely not let that kind of thing go on, even if it were government regulated. "Our beliefs should be your beliefs, too, and by gum, if they aren't, then we will politically force you to abide by our beliefs one way or another. Freedom of choice is loss of control."

But I digress.

If marijuana were government controlled and regulated, not only could it be taxed, but the taxes and the profits would be going to the government. Phillip Morris doesn't need any more money, but if you've looked at the national deficit lately, this country does. Shoot, take the money and put it toward SCHOOLS.

The government would make theirs the cheapest anywhere, and pushers could not survive to make a profit. The government could then be sure that the marijuana it sold was not chemically tampered with, thus clean, and of course put laws in effect that make it illegal for anyone under a predetermined age to smoke it, like cigarettes and alcohol. This won't stop the pushers altogether, of course, unless the government not only has the cheapest shit, but the best shit (as Shel Silverstein put it: "I mean maui wowie, panama red"), and edges out dealers that way.

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I think that marijuana needs to be privatized.


Not privatized, government regulated and controlled.

Yeah, that. What I meant to say was that we should allow tobacco companies to sell joints under restrictions and taxes similar to tobacco sales.

Anyway, in the interest of full disclosure, there's something I should probably talk about. No, I've never tried marijuana myself. In fact, I once forced my roommates out because they held a drunken party that went on until 3 AM. My old job, you see, depended on my staying clean and enforcing federal and campus law, regardless of my personal opinions.

For those of you who don't already know, I spent three of my four college years as a key member of the campus' Peer Review Board. This means that every time an RA wrote someone up for getting drunk, smoking a joint or just being too noisy, they came to me (and six or seven others). I had to play judge to who knows how many students unlucky enough to get caught. This meant hearing their stories, voting on a verdict and deliberating sanctions. At least half of the cases I heard had something to do with marijuana. In some cases, there wasn't any marijuana present! Just a bong left on a nightstand would be enough for a trip to the PRB.

I can't go into detail for obvious reasons, but I heard cases where residence halls nearly went up in flames. I heard harassment allegations, near-deaths, campus riots and drug overdoses. They were rare, but those are the ones that always stuck with me. The ones that truly left disaster in their wake. Even the drunken parties led to excessive noise, belligerent/incapacitated co-eds and property damage in ways both awful and disgusting. Aside from an awful stench and disabled smoke detectors (which might have been left intact if the students could smoke MJ legally), I had never heard of a single case where marijuana use posed a serious threat to the community.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we really do have bigger problems out there. Some of them are caused by things that are perfectly legal. We're devoting so much time and effort into cracking down on marijuana and it just isn't worth it.

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I simply can't justify locking up so many people over marijuana abuse when our prisons are already overcrowded.


the problem is, marijuana use has been linked to bringing forward mild mental illnesses, will legalising marijuana now cause an overcrowding in homes for people with mental conditions in 40 years time?

coming from someone who spent 3 or 4 years being stoned quite a lot (and in doing so spending too much money on it, in the realms of £100 a month) but now doesn't smoke it at all i oppose the over legalisation (the legalisation of dealing that is, i do support the legalisation of possesion with no intent to supply), because one of the main reasons i gave up smoking it was because i was too lazy (and yes, i totally agree that it can cause lazyness and apathy) to go and buy it. if i could roll out of bed and stroll down to the local tobacconist and buy an 1/8th i'd probably still be smoking it today. but i'm happy that i don't still smoke it, it was fun whilst it lasted but i am happy only smoking it once or twice a year now. it was a phase of my youth which i grew out of, partially because it was difficult to buy.

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the problem is, marijuana use has been linked to bringing forward mild mental illnesses, will legalising marijuana now cause an overcrowding in homes for people with mental conditions in 40 years time?


Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis?

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the problem is, marijuana use has been linked to bringing forward mild mental illnesses, will legalising marijuana now cause an overcrowding in homes for people with mental conditions in 40 years time?


Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis?


it was all over the news like 3 or 4 years ago.

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the problem is, marijuana use has been linked to bringing forward mild mental illnesses, will legalising marijuana now cause an overcrowding in homes for people with mental conditions in 40 years time?


Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis?


it was all over the news like 3 or 4 years ago.


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Clinton's not even president anymore.

Besides, Rupert Murdoch got caught submitting right-oriented/pro-Bush talking points to news anchors on Fox. The same cannot be said for any other news network. Regardless of your own personal opinion, Fox is the only network physically proven to be oriented at a specific party. Republicans claim CNN is left-biased and Democrats claim it's right-biased. The same is regularly claimed about every other network. The only one anyone can agree on is Fox.

I realize this is off-topic, but it had to be said.

Anyway, back to weed. I think a lot of people are conditioned from a young age to hate it (D.A.R.E. anyone?) so they don't really understand why they hate it. For example, "it promotes laziness"? Don't computers promote laziness? Cars promote laziness too. Anything could be said to "promote laziness."

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Using a lot of the arguments you have presented would mean that it would be fine to legalize LSD. Like marijuana, it is generally considered nontoxic and all it does is temporarily impair the ability to make rational decisions and understand dangers.

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