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So then if they have that much hate and malice in their hearts that their goign to just murder anyways, prison won't do the rehabilitation it's partly designed to do.

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@RealSlimCAvery

And then the problem arises of accidentally executing innocent people.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

I agree, that's why I'm saying don't use it often, use it as a last resort beyond a shadow of a doubt. In cases like the article/blog/whatever you want to call it about those two... I can't bring myself to called them men, that attacked and killed the woman and attempted to kill her daughter. The one is PROUD of his actions, except the mistake of not killing an 11 year old. he's not an innocent man.

Should the Death Penalty be used often? No. But should we ahve it, just in case? probably

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@RealSlimCAvery

Beyond a shadow of a doubt is the way it's supposed to be every time. That's like saying that only criminals who we're sure actually did it should be executed.

According to the Justice system we're sure whenever someone is convicted of something.


Just in case what?

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

At the risk of sounding like I'm attacking you, do you have statistics of innocent people (who perhaps it was proven later they were innocent) put to death with the death penalty in America?

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@RealSlimCAvery

No, but I know that there was a study conducted concerning death row inmates who were exonerated by way of DNA evidence.

They were going to be killed until someone said, "Oh wait! We screwed up!"

I'm sure I could find some records of innocent people that have actually been executed as well.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

Here ya go.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty ... id=1101086

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/co ... ick059.htm

http://www.truthinjustice.org/dpissues.htm

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

Again, at the risk of sounding like I'm attacking you personally, if you haven't found data claiming all the innocents actually put to death then using the 'all the innocents that have been put to death' argument loses some credibility in my book.

But really we can all talk until our faces are as blue as Dr. M, our opinons are our opinions and unless one of us passes a bill to out law or legalize the death penalty entirely our opinions will remain that... opinions.

Thank you for looking up those sites.
Interesting point of note, though, DNA testing has been used to free people, and because DNA tech is becoming more advaned, the chances of people wrongly accused and being freed due to DNA is higher than it was in say 1992 when ray Krone was first put away. And because of the DNA he wasn't executed.

(For those wondering who Ray Krone is)

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@RealSlimCAvery

Kay, wouldn't that kind of go under my argument?

He would have been killed if it wasn't for DNA evidence.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

Not to be an ass, but I wonder what your thoughts are on the execution of POW's.



I sometimes ask myself if prison is actually rehabilitating anyone, I wonder if there actually IS any sort of rehabilitation in there.

Personally, I think that our hatred of criminals has "filtered into the prison systems", prisons are "meant" to rehabilitate, but we all know that what really happens there is punishment, our priorities as a society, are screwed.

On the Death Penalty ? Like Diego said, it doesn't affect my life, so it's not an issue I think about every day, nevertheless, there are some things about the modern practice of the death penalty that bother me:

1) "The Ritual", I believe it is ridiculous to pretend that you are being "humane" when you inject somebody with the lethal dose, that doesn't mean that I believe it's wrong to kill someone, but I dislike the hypocrisy.

2) "The Priorities", Like I said, our priorities are screwed, some people are in favor of rehabilitation while others are in favor of punishment, and because we haven't solved that conflict is the reason why death penalty is still around, in the end, regardless of what we feel about it, it's useless, Godziller said it best, people don't stop killing out of the fear of getting the lethal dose.

And where the hell is Curi ?

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Exterminate the brutes...

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...evidently chicken-town.

@feliciano:

You mean the detainees at Guantanamo for example? Against. I've seen enough stories of innocent prisoners there. I don't want them to get killed for some bullshit they didn't commit.

Unless we are completely sure they did something, they don't deserve it. And as far as I'm concerned, the US military would be more than happy to make up some bullshit excuse to kill another middle easterner.

It's my same attitude toward the death penalty at a national and state level. If they're guilty, I don't really care.

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

I USUALLY don't like to think in terms of "Does Deserve/Does Not Deserve", but I can agree with your comments.

However, I was making reference to Ernesto Guevara De La Serna, who "fusiló" (translation please) a lot of POW's and people who did not agree with him.

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"Shot". Or "killed".

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Never give you up
Never gonna let you down

English not very good. Forgive me.

http://www.ghondar.blogspot.com
Because people on the internet think that I'm somewhat funny.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

Nope.

I can't remember the name of this man, but he was executed by the death penalty in Florida because he was found guilty of killing his wife.

The deffinitive "proof" that got him sentenced was a telephone conversation in which he refered to his wife in past tense when he apparently didn't know she was still dead, the prosecution assumed that was proof enough to find him guilty.

They assumed well, and he was killed because of "that".

I don't know about you, but that is not "completely sure" in my book.

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There are several famous (in New Zealand) cases where people locked up for murder have been released after a decade or so, when retrials have proved that the police fabricated, contaminated, or downright faked evidence. And this is quiet ol' NZ, where we have no death penalty... and it's hardly tough ol' Texas!
Often these people have been quiet, odd, or slightly eccentric types that it's been easy to paint as 'weirdos' in the media.
One famous one was the Arthur Allan Thomas case, which was doggedly investigated by an independent newspaper journalist for years. he wrote a book about it, and it was made into a movie, called Beyond Reasonable Doubt.

From IMDB.
'The case this movie was based on divided whole families in New Zealand in the 70's. Arther Allan Thomas was convicted on the dodgiest of evidence for the murder of a couple in a farmhouse not far from his, in the rural New Zealand district of Pongekawa. The police, under pressure to make an arrest in this crime, chose Thomas, and then built a case to support it. Years of controversy followed, including a royal commission. I wont tell you what happens at the end because that would spoil it but suffice to say its a dramatic look at small-town policing mixed with heavy-handed politics and definitely worth viewing, if for no more than the performances of Tony Barry (Goodbye Pork Pie) and Bruno Lawrence (just about every NZ movie ever made).'
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080432/

More recently, the David Bain case followed a similar pattern, where a young man convicted of murdering his family has been released after a decade of imprisonment, re-trials confirming it is far more likely his father commited the crime and killed himself. Police had moved items in the house before photographing them at the crime scene. These kinds of stories are why I am glad we have no death penalty in New Zealand, and why i think it is an unsound concept.

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...evidently chicken-town.

What the hell? I agree but talk about contradictions..

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

he.
Well, 'Exterminate the brutes...' was an ironic quote from 'Heart of Darkness' by Joseph Conrad, not a serious sentiment from inside the heart of Pain.

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...evidently chicken-town.

In reference to Che, some probably deserved it, and some surely didn't. Just like with any war, innocent people were killed on both sides.
And Godziller was being sarcastic, hence the "sarcastic purple."

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra