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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:14 am 
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But you still have to put yourself in their position, if a person you loved was brutally killed, then wouldn't you want revenge ? I, like many individuals, wouldn't judge you, and I certainly don't like the law to judge people (who have taken revenge) as if they were any kind of common killers.

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The system has to be impartial and objective, feliciano. No justice can result solely from a personal grudge.


I'm pretty torn on this issue.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
The system has to be impartial and objective, feliciano. No justice can result solely from a personal grudge.


I never said solely from a personal grudge, I never said I supported vigilantism or summarized trials, but you can't reasonably put a 25 year sentence on a man who killed another man because the latter one killed his wife, why is that not a reason as valid as "temporary insanity" or "in defense of others" ? and why does that man have to go to a maximum security prison ?

Does that man have to go to jail ? does he have to serve time ? yes, but not in a maximum security prison, and certainly NOT 25 years, THIS is where the system has to be flexible.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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feliciano182 wrote:
But you still have to put yourself in their position, if a person you loved was brutally killed, then wouldn't you want revenge ?


Punishment, yes. Revenge? No. Having my revenge, as it were, would not bring my loved one back. I would only feel worse, as I'd be wanting someone dead to "get back at them," at that point, and really, that'd make me feel terrible. An eye for an eye, and the whole world goes blind.

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but you can't reasonably put a 25 year sentence on a man who killed another man because the latter one killed his wife, why is that not a reason as valid as "temporary insanity" or "in defense of others" ? and why does that man have to go to a maximum security prison ?


Now, there's a difference in killing "in the heat of the moment," and you won't get as high of a sentence, but that other stuff? Yes, we can do that. It's different from temporary insanity or defense of others because you have to plot it out and then go do it. You have time to think about it, to calm down and decide not to do it, and go through with it anyway. That's first degree murder, which necessitates maximum security prison.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:56 pm 
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Punishment, yes. Revenge? No. Having my revenge, as it were, would not bring my loved one back. I would only feel worse, as I'd be wanting someone dead to "get back at them," at that point, and really, that'd make me feel terrible. An eye for an eye, and the whole world goes blind.


I don't mean to sound offensive, but everything you are saying is just words until you face the situation, as I said, I don't make judgements on people who have gone through that horror with what I haven't experienced myself.

NOBODY, nobody at all really knows what they would do if this ever happened to them, not even you.

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Because you have to plot it out and then go do it. You have time to think about it, to calm down and decide not to do it, and go through with it anyway. That's first degree murder, which necessitates maximum security prison.


This is all talk until it happens to you, nobody just "calms down" from such an experience, it changes you if it doesn't destroy you first.

And that doesn't mean that I favor their actions, but I wouldn't support a lifetime sentence on maximum security prison for an individual who wanted payback, after all it actually is coherent with the current prison system and the politics of a nation like the US, without getting too much off-topic.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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feliciano182 wrote:
I don't mean to sound offensive... without getting too much off-topic.


I agree whole heartedly, it's easy for us to say 'oh a revenge killing is wrong, and I wouldn't' but until one has watched a loved one get murdered no one can say they know how they feel.

I recently watched the Original Death Wish with Charles Bronson and that's essentially the plot, early on his wife is murdered and his daughter raped and he goes on a 'crime' spree, but he becomes a vigilante and only attacks muggers, robbers, and would be murderers.

Even though it's a fictional story we can't say oh he over reacted because unless you've had your wife murdered and your daughter raped you have no idea what he's going through and what hell his life has become.

But that's not about the death penalty...

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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I didn't know the firing squad was still used ever

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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I didn't know the firing squad was still used ever


Well, there's hanging in Iraq, but this doesn't come to me as a surprise, and I really don't mind, I certainly find it less hypocritical than the lethal injection.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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The guns are handed out randomly to the officers. One will be loaded with a blank, so no one will know who fired the fatal shot.

That's so stupid. If you're going to kill someone, just kill them.

Talk about hypocrisy. :roll:

No, smiley emoticon. Don't smile after that eye roll. This is srs bsns.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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but nice try :D

back on topic, i think prisoners who have been given the death sentence should be allowed to choose their method of execution, but still with lethal injection the default choice.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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back on topic, i think prisoners who have been given the death sentence should be allowed to choose their method of execution, but still with lethal injection the default choice.

Why? I can't really see any advantages here. Working under the assumption that the death penalty should be implemented, I don't know why you would allow them to choose.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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WJK wrote:
i think prisoners who have been given the death sentence should be allowed to choose their method of execution, but still with lethal injection the default choice.


What purpose would that even serve ? and talking practically here, it's not going to happen, specially since punishment and revenge is the whole point, even when the judge won't say it.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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feliciano182 wrote:
specially since punishment and revenge is the whole point

Well, they are given a last meal of their choice.

Which is another thing that's really weird.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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feliciano182 wrote:
specially since punishment and revenge is the whole point

Well, they are given a last meal of their choice.

Which is another thing that's really weird.


The whole deal is the most hypocritical and senseless ritual ever performed by the U.S., there's so much bullshit tied to it that it can't even be taken seriously, it's clear that the whole deal is about getting revenge and dealing punishment, but at the same time they try to cover it up with words like "unrehabilitable" and "justice", and all along it is being passed as "humanitarian" with things like the last meal and the use of the lethal injection.

And I don't even want to even get about the practical parts, about how it costs to keep people in death row (why should they be there ? I have no fucking clue) and also in regards to how anti-socials and criminals DON'T LEARN FROM IT, there is still violence in Utah and Texas, and it will still be there regardless of how much poison you shoot up a killer's wrist.

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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besides, dying with a needle in your arm is so lame, i'd rather take the chair or a firing squad. (yes this is me being serious btw)

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I'd ask to be shot by a really big bullet. One that's three times bigger than the gun itself.

And I'd ask the governor to pull the trigger.

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This is getting fairly morbid. and very entertaining...

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 Post subject: Re: The Death Penalty
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WJK wrote:
back on topic, i think prisoners who have been given the death sentence should be allowed to choose their method of execution, but still with lethal injection the default choice.

Why? I can't really see any advantages here. Working under the assumption that the death penalty should be implemented, I don't know why you would allow them to choose.


er i meant they should be given several options, say firing squad, electric chair, lethal injection, hanging, other crap. however, if they hadn't chose whatever method they felt was satisfactory to their demise, lethal injection would automatically be chosen since it's the most humane option, at least that's what they say.

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