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But, frankly there's still crime even with the rehabilitation system we have. So according to your logic that because the death penalty does not teach any one anything and there is still crime it shouldn't be used, then our current system of trying to rehabilitate prsoners should be abolished because there is still crime so obviously it's not teaching people not to be criminals either

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@RealSlimCAvery

Yes, but think about this too, is the real purpose (according to judges, wardens, senators, etc.) of prison to rehabilitate ? more and more it seems like it's just the excuse to punish people without making it look unconstitutional, so the current "rehabilitation" system should be at least replaced or improved, it shouldn't be a hypocritical excuse to practice methods that simply aren't working, specially methods which are as moraly and as logicaly bankrupt as the death penalty.

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The real focus of the prison system is not to rehabilitate people. It's mainly to lock people the hell away so they're not a danger to others. And since the death penalty is clearly not a deterrent, people at least shouldn't use the argument that it is.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

But how is locking them away because they are dangerous and can't be helped different from saying they should be killed because they are too dangerous, true a life is on the line but making some one live in a cell and face all the horrors of prison day in and day out... is that really a life?

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@RealSlimCAvery

The best that the system can do is try to make sure that the person is guilty without a shadow of a doubt. The difference is that death is permanent. People have been exonerated and set free due to DNA evidence. I'm sure that if you asked them, they wouldn't say that they would rather have been put to death at some point during their stay.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

And there are also probably a ton of people who never got exonerated and rotted in a prison cell for a crime they never comited and will never have their names cleared, either way people can die with out being set free

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@RealSlimCAvery

I live in Canada. The death penalty doesn't exist here and hasn't for ages. Not in my life time anyway.

I'm fine with that since I don't agree with killing people.

However, I do think that Canada is too lax sometimes. I was recently listening to the news and I forget the exact details but there was some guy who killed someone a while back and he was jailed for 14 years for it I think it was. He was let out, therefore he was given a 2nd chance....and what does he do? He went and killed someone else. Now he's back in jail but apparently will be able to get out again in a few years or something like that and all I have to say is....WTF? Okay honestly if you jail someone and eventually release them and they STILL kill someone else....why the hell would you ever potentially let them out again in the future? Obviously prison time doesn't change them. Obviously they had a 2nd chance and killed another person. So why....why on EARTH would you ever give them yet another chance? Seriously Canada, seriously? I mean come on I feel like they aren't protecting us citizens very well on that one and are being way too easy on the criminal.

If someone ever breaks into my house though and comes at me, I'll kill them. I'm sorry but they will die if they try to kill me. At least, I will try to kill them. I am not that strong.

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Damn it, Canada! That sort of stuff occasionally happens in America as well.

If I had it my way, it'd be Rape=Life, Murder=Life.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

Yeah I don't agree with the death penalty but please please never release these people back into society!

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When it comes down to it...I had to go with "uncertain."

I've had this conversation a few times before and I never manage to come up with an answer.

I can see both sides of the argument.

Against
1) The fear that innocent people will be killed
2) Killing won't bring the dead back/senseless death
3) They'll suffer more in prison anyway

For
1) They don't deserve life as they have no respect for life
2) They're dangerous to those around them

Personally, I'm split. Part of me, the logical part of me, agrees with the "Against" points. There's really no good done in killing them and that there's always a danger of innocents dying. (Slimmer now, but sadly there will always be cases where people aren't quite sure....) And then of course there is intent.

But then the emotional part of me.....See, when it comes down to it, sometimes there are people, like the guys in the original article, who I think should just die. I think they're evil and not worthy to be called human. And I can't stand the thought of them living when those they've killed are dead, no matter how badly their lives suck.

I mean yeah, they might get hell from the other prisoners and they're cadged....but eventually they'll be moved away from the prisoners harming them. They'll be caged but they still have life. Sounds and music, color, smell, taste, touch, a heartbeat, warmth of skin, dreams at night.....simple things that the dead will never, ever have again. And when I think of it that way.....I just want them dead. Cold, stiff, bloodless, dead.

So really, I'm just uncertain. I know that it's probably logical not to have a death penalty and probably right too. More death doesn't change anything. And I don't think that ALL people convicted of murder (i.e. crimes of passion, est.) deserve the death penalty. I don't think you can just label something like this right or wrong. It's not all black and white. But the problem is that when it comes to the law, apparently, we tend to take that tone simply to prevent abuse of the system and chaos, est. It's simply a flaw in a system that's never going to be perfect, no matter how hard we try.

When it comes down to it, I don't make the laws and I don't plan to. I'll leave that up to other, more suited, people.

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I could always give up my beliefs if I somehow saw how the death penalty helps in stopping these horrible crimes from happening, unfortunately it doesn't, and there are so many hypocritical aspects surrounding it (specially the death penalty system in the US) that I really can't accept it.

Still, without taking in account the legality and the system, it's a complicated issue wether we should have the right to kill someone or not, hell, do we even have the right to let them live ?

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