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The problem with Hulk is that his strength is "limitless", and that's extremely ambiguous, he does feats of strength that go above and beyond what Superman has done in his best moments, but there's really no way to gauge just how strong he really is.

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I see your point, feli. But then again, there was never really anything objective about this thread to begin with. We have no way of knowing who would actually win any of these fights. It's all just a matter of forming our own opinions about who is stronger and then trying to sway our peers one way or another.

And what we've got here is essentially DC's strongest superhero against Marvel's strongest superhero (purely in terms of physical strength, of course). This match-up is just too good to turn down.

It's Superman vs. The Hulk! FIGHT!!!

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As curi alluded to, Superman was killed during the epic fight with Doomsday (who also died) meaning that their strength was pretty well matched, that being said... Hulk is strongest there is. The way I see it is a fight to outshine Supes vs. Doomsday, many hours of pummeling, but in the end, Superman would wear down... while Hulk would just get angrier and angrier and he would go for a kill shot long before Superman would.

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I don't know if the concept of PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) extends itself beyond the forums of ComicVine, where I first heard it.

But, as the forum's biggest Hulk fan, many feats of strength by Hulk are PIS, specially many from the Greg Pak run that ended a while ago.

This is why this fight is difficult for me, The Hulk just has no strength cap these days, which is bullshit. If there's a reason to make him angry enough, if somebody fucked Banner's mom, took a picture, and sent it to Banner's cellphone with the caption "PAWNED", then according to Marvel, The Hulk could break the Earth in half, he would be angry enough after all !

Still, Superman uses his super-speed except when it's actually necessary and wouldn't have cost you your life *COUGH* *COUGH* DOOMSDAY *COUGH* *COUGH*

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I think you mean pwned, pawned is something entirely different...



Maybe, Dommsday still might have landed some punches... which would slow Superman down quite a bit.

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@RealSlimCAvery

Oh you think so !?



Nah, bad writing, unless Doomsday had super-speed as well, which was never mentioned, he shouldn't have landed a punch against an individual capable of moving faster than a fighter jet.

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For all we know Doomsday was fast, I don't recall it specifically stating that Doomsday was slow, just that he was incredibly powerful

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@RealSlimCAvery

Again, how does a creature without super-speed defeat a creature with super-speed ? Specially when both creatures are at the same level of strength ?

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Just to clear up a misconception that might have swayed this vote: Hulk's skin is not made of kryptonite.

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I like how that's the game changer for you, not anything else about Superman's powers... just his speed. Alright scenario (because this isn't Superman vs. Doomsday) Superman get's ready to fly at Hulk like lightning, Hulk does a sonic clap that the two forces hit and Superman is briefly stunned, in theat moment Hulk leaps forward and grabs superman... and proceeds to beat the ever loving shit out of him.

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@RealSlimCAvery

has Hulk ever been talked down? calmed to the point of reverting back to Banner by words alone? because if anyone could do that, it's probably superman.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

He'd have to clap faster than 1200 km/h, even if he did, which he can't (nothing in comic-book world can clap that fast), then he'd have to jump on him faster than Superman can react, which he won't, because Superman by default needs to have incredibly more advanced neurological systems, the amount of sensory input that can be processed while moving at super speeds can only be processed by a superior, awesome brain, this also means that his reaction time has to be impossibly fast, and thus he'd be out of the way before Hulk can catch him.

It's not just Super-speed, I don't think The Flash could defeat The Hulk, for example, because The Flash can't punch harder than a tank shell, he can just move really fast, he'd have to be very creative to defeat The Hulk. This is not the case for Superman, who has super-strength.



Very nice idea ! Though usually by his closest friends or by his girlfriend, not anyone can talk Hulk down, The Sentry could at one point, but that was a loooooooooong time ago.

Still, Superman does have a way with words, I could actually see him talking down Hulk.

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True, but Marvel does rank Hulk as a 7 out of 7 on their speed chart, and the fans ranked him a 6 out of 7. Hulk is not a slow clod by any stretch of the imagination.

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@RealSlimCAvery

I agree with you that Hulk is certainly no "slow clod", but the only thing more ridiculous than a scoring system for videogames is a scoring system for comic book characters' super-powers, there's simply NO way to gauge super-powers in an objective way, it's impossible.

In any case, while Hulk can be really fast and agile despite being inmense, he still doesn't have "Super-speed + Super-strength".

The only way I can see Hulk defeating Superman is by "unconventional" means, in a straight up fight he has no chance.

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Why couldn't he have both? I mean, he obviously has super strength, and I think the official power ranking for marvel has some cred (not a lot, I will agree there so much changes from story to story).

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Becauuuuuuuuse................he just doesn't, Hulk is nowhere near as fast as people who actually have super-speed, like The Flash, Quicksilver and Superman.

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I actually agree with that.
Superman and the Flash could compete in a race, the Hulk, while indeed much faster than your average human, is not on par with them.

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why can't The flash punch harder than a Tank Shell?

since the flash could easily out-run a tank shell, and his fist would weigh less, but his speed would more than make up for it, he could easily punch harder than a tank shell, the only problem being that his hand may not be able to take that kind of level of kinetic energy, but since a regular human could punch hard enough to hurt his own hand, and the flash can punch at speed, there must be some mechanism to prevent injury when he is at super speed, right?

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

You are right, but I always thought The Flash would pulverize his hand at those speeds.

If there's any mechanism to prevent his hand from breaking and turning into dust, it would be called Geoff Johns, yup. In Infinite Crisis, the flashes hit Superboy Prime with everything they got, they were able to hurt him because they were simply hitting him at super-speed, even though Superman and Superboy hit him and pretty much had the exact same effect on him *sighs*.

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