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Yup, won´t let 44 hours awesomeness be ruined by 10 shitty minutes. After that anouncement decided to just get to a certain point of the game and do a "mind ending" lol

Heck, I intend on doing a ME1+ME2+ME3 engineer file, even though ME3´s ending negates alot of the stuff said in ME1 and ME2. And on top of that, finish ME3 16 times(8 imports from ME2 and one Save+ for each file).The games are too fucking good for them to be ruined by brain farts from 2 guys.


Will download this dlc to check if there´s a decent epilogue(but I have zero hope for such thing), but other then that, I will wait for some Aria dlc, or something as interesting that only happens before the ending...
Had intended to buy all dlc that came out for ME3. Had intended to buy the Mass Effect novels and comic books, buy the artbooks, and give a chance to Dragon Age to support Bioware. After this those plans went down the toilet.I´m cuttig ties with Bioware. That way I can´t get disapointed by them anymore,after caring for the characters and story ...


And lol at the Venom argument. The problem with Venom on SM3 was that Raimi had a serious hard-on for Sandman. His inclusion could have worked if Raimi hadn´t entered fucktard mode upon beggining of production...

44 Hours ?

You gotta be kidding me man, I've heard Mass Effect 3 is the shortest of the trilogy



Pretty much, Bioshock didn't become any less of a masterpiece in my eyes simply for having a 20 second ending.

Which wasn't bad, but twenty fucking seconds ?!! What the fuck Irrational !?



It's so sad man , I'm pretty much on the same wagon, take away the ending and there's still a shitload of things wrong with the Mass Effect franchise as of this moment, I'm not even sure if I should buy ME 3 right now or wait a little bit for the face import issue to be handled, I'd hate to start an ME 3 playthrough only to have the patch released the next day.

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I think you're all a bunch of whiny pussies blowing shit out of proportion, but that's just me.

I mean damn feliciano, at least play the third game before you make claims about problems in the series or how bad the ending is. Half the shit you're complaining about could be resolved in the third game and you may find that you don't have an issue with the ending as much as you've been led to believe. You can't really make bold statements like RuiBK, who has at least played the damn game.

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I've only had one dream in my life with kids in it that didn't involve me gnawing my feet off, and it had to do with kids doing my laundry.

Dude, I did every main and side mission, checked every level for whatever interesting loot there was, did the N7 missions, and did every single fetch quest except two or three.On top of that, I always checked the Normandy for dialogue and interactions, and sometimes went to the Citadel just to check out new missions. I had From Ashes, but if it´s an hour long, it´s a miracle.
Oh, this was a Soldier on Normal...

I would pay serious cash for 20 seconds of the closure that Bioshock gave me. Fucking loved that ending, cried like a fucking baby on account of resonating on my current situation at the moment(death of my grandmother followed by my uncle). This game´s ending on the other left me with more questions then I had at the end of ME1(wich is fucking bad, since ME1 was setting up a triology and ME3 should be ending it).


And honestly bro, aside from the ending, I see no problems with ME3. If you already have acess to your HD tv and have the money for ME3 ready, fucking buy it. It´s worth it. Yeah, the face import issue will make redo the face from scratch on the face editor, but other then that, it will blow your mind. If you liked ME2, you are going to love this...

I have never complained about the ending.

I have only complained about the situation surrounding the ending, which is that, when thousands of people voice a negative opinion on an issue they feel it's legitimate, it merits a proper response from the developers, one that doesn't say, in condescending terms:

"We have over 75 perfect scores, shut the fuck up".

I don't feel dissapointed about what could possibly be a philosophical, negative ending, I feel dissapointed when a developer behaves the way it does, by making false statements about an integral part of the game, by "strawmanning" the long-term fans into oblivion, by converting the smallest shit into a micro-transaction, by adding a completely unnecessary and universally unwanted feature (which has been proved, hampers you from getting the full single player experience), by failing to implement an integral feature used by many long-term fans.

Yeah, lots of unrelated stuff, but I wasn't just complaining about the ending controversy.

Nobody is throwing a tantum around here Mal, if anything, I've mentioned it twice already how I've agreed with you about how no one has the right to force Bioware to change the ending, but you've been quite negligent of acknowledging that.

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Dude, you've been complaining for pages and pages.
Only reason I ever responded is you were blowing things way out of proportion (even if you'd actually played it).
I had hoped to quell your misunderstandings (and misinterpretations), but apparently that makes me a fanboy or some shit.
So don't say you've never complained (!)

My final comment on the ending is that I've seen plenty of people (and articles) who completely loved it, including our own Comedian Carl. Personally I thought it was good and that everyone who's throwing a shitstorm about it is doing so for all the wrong reasons. I'm disappointed that the developers are to compromise their own narrative, like if Polanski had reverted to the original ending of Chinatown because some people (*cough*curi) didn't like the one they got.

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Dude, read the articles thoroughly,they aren´t changing endings, but adding custcenes both before and after the ending.

As to the wrong reasons, I guess being pissed off at making previous game´s plot irrelevant is wrong...

Ok, I'll take back the "everyone". Obviously you've put much more thought into it than most, who I think just can't comprehend the limitations of a game like this (going back to the illusion of control thing), or seem to place other factors above narrative.

I don't agree that the game has been about choices, but clearly you're talking more about narrative. I disagree, but I have a lot more respect for you than the big babies crying out there.

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Maybe I misunderstand what "getting worked up" means to english folk, but I just thought I called you an asshole in a very calm and collected manner.

You like Vanderloo Shepard ? That's wonderful AYB, I hope you've enjoyed playing as him as many many many other people have done so, I sincerely do.

But to say "I kind of feel that if some people are experiencing this bug, they got what they deserved. Live with the glitched appearance and move on" merits being called an asshole.

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Chinatown is not a videogame, Chinatown is not an interactive role-playing experience, Polanski didn't promise we wouldn't have ABC endings for Chinatown, he didn't say our decisions would determine the way Chinatown ends, Polanski didn't work in a medium where the possibility of downloadable content and extended post-release developing time allows for changes to the experience, and subsequently, to the story.

In Mass Effect's case, why not keep to the promises and deliver an alternative ending ?

Or maybe something like Broken Steel.

What do you have to say about Broken Steel ? I guess nothing, since you like to ignore succesful precedents.

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No game can give us true choice, because that would imply selling 4 or 5 games(the multitude of work to be done to acomodate true choice would be enormous) for the price of one.
We were never given true liberty on the ME games. ME1 couldn´t end with us allying ourselfs with Saren and letting the Reapers come. On ME3 we were never given the chance of allying ourselfs with Cerberus if we were sympathetic to them in ME2. What we were given was variety of action in face of multiple situations, unlike a more static approach, like say MW3. That variety that permeated the triology was lacking in the end.

But that isn´t my problem with the endings per se. I had no problems whatsoever when they forced me down a certain part on the Arrival dlc in ME2.My problem is how they negate plot points from the games with many actions in the ending and the dumb as fuck logic behind some plot points introduced in the last 10 minutes.

But the thing is, I could have looked the other way if I had gotten a decent epilogue documenting the effects on my actions in the third game. Instead I get fucking Buzz Aldrin talking shit...




Word of advice for Marc Walters and Casey Hudson:if you want to create a twist in a story, don´t do it when all the hints in the previous and current game point to the twist that you had planned and scratched after the ending was leaked.Fucktards...

As far as we know that's just speculation, though.

I relate ME3's ending to that of the second Matrix film. (An easy enough comparison because it was clearly an influence.) Did that ending not contradict a great deal of the first movie? With Neo discovering that he, as the anomaly, is simply a part of the system he thought he existed to bring down. There, and here, I think the contradictions are very deliberate, and it's not a happy ending or resolution we're intended to be comfortable with. It's meant to raise questions rather than answer them, and a lot of the time that's simply more artistically legitimate.

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What is speculation, the change in endings? Bro, it´s documented. Martin Sheen voice over sessions were delayed from last August to last November to give more time for the writers to create new endings. The ending was supposed to revolve around Dark Energy, the same way that Drew Karpyshyn envisioned things when he outlined the trilogy. Atleast in that ending some elements that seem extremely out of place fited better.

And if anything,this Revolutions al over again. Instead of breaking the cycle once and for all, we compromise...

OH LAWRD !

Just played the Mass Effect 3 demo.........TWICE !

Great stuff I must say, got me more excited for the game, which, if all goes well, I'll be buying next week.

On one hand, I must say I loved the combat, it feels MUCH more intense and rapid, wish the stick sensitivity was a little higher, but overall it felt much tighter and exciting, some powers also work differently, I couldn't believe I liked throw much more than warp in the demo, I fucking hated it in ME 2, even though I'm thinking I might have appreciated it more due to the fact that I was playing on normal and enemies might not have much defenses, or was that changed for ME 3 ?

If there was one thing I did not like from the demo...............it was the goddamn auto-dialogue.

Ugh.........I already knew there was this imbecilic "pick your game-type" interface, but I might as well have gone with action instead of RPG for just how similar both were.

Anyways, all in all, it was a great demo and I'm looking forward for next week !

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T -1 week?



But you should have gone one time with each class to get the whole experience. That being said, I can guaratee you that playing with an imported character is ten times better then playing with the points that we are given in both sections of the demo...

As to the dialogue system, you´re looking at it the wrong way. Yeah, they created less control points, but the whole "neutral option gone" is a welcome change. As to the "Action " mode, if you activate it, you play ME3 as if it was Gears 3. The cutscenes play out automaticly,with no inmput from the player.

Oh, and the toggle helmets option is a godsend...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!

Tech Armor.........................................has been nerfed

What the fuck Bioware ?

Doesn't explode when enemies shoot at it ? Has to be manually detonated ? Explosion range doesn't go beyond four meters ? 80% SLOWER POWER USAGE ?

Fucking multiplayer, it's clear they had to balance the thing, but goddamnit it was such an awesome power.

I guess I can either go for a "tank-style" kind of playthrough or a more multi-powered one without tech armor and full fitness.

What do you guys say ? Can anyone make any recommendations ? I would seriously be grateful if there's any sentinel help anyone can bring.



I don't know man, even neutral options were still OPTIONS, it's just not right for an RPG game to have almost 80% of it's dialogue be automated. Am I even correct in assuming the "investigate" option is no longer in the game ?

Still, it was probably the only thing I disliked from the demo, everything it else was impressive.

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Rephrasing (even if you know exactly what I speak of):

It's just not right for an RPG game, like Mass Effect, that most of the opportunities to speak be automatically controlled by the game itself.

Granted, we never controlled word for word of what Shepard said, but we DID dictate the tone and message of his/her verbal responses.

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I'm thinking maybe the demo (or the setting of the demo you're using) differs significantly from the actual game.
My experience of controlling dialogue in ME3 was pretty much the same as it's always been.

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Can you remember how many times did the dialogue wheel apper in the opening scene ? Before the Reapers blast the chamber Shepard is with the Admirals on Earth ?

In the demo it was around three, AT MOST four times, and Shepard sure as shit spoke a lot.

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I can't remember, but the opening scene was massively different to the game proper.

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