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you dont have to be a right wing nut job to hate obama . i personally understand politics is all bull shit. obama is exactly the same as bush and McCain i grentee you if McCain was elected the exact same legislation would be passed. what dose this mean? it means the president is just a figure head and obama is a good one at that what with his cult of personality and such. America needs a presidnt so you think you actually have a say the truth is the state is bullshit give up politics give up your right wing your left wing your indepents and realize that shits gone to far. you don't need a government

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Who ever would have guessed all it would take is a little anarchy for me and Brooklyn to agree about something?

My take on things mentioned in this thread:

In my experience, the majority of people who throw around words like "socialist" and "nationalization" to criticize Obama have no idea what those words actually mean. It's disheartening to see people simply repeating everything they hear on FOX and not doing any research for themselves. It's likely a socialist government would actually benefit them: one of socialism's most important ideas is that society should spread its wealth more evenly throughout the population and not concentrate it in a small segment of that population. It's the very rich who would have the most to lose from socialism, and I think we all agree they don't need that much money anyway. So I think some socialist elements would benefit the country greatly.

As for abortion, I really think this is a no-brainer. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with it. The fact of the matter is, nobody has the right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. Outlawing abortion would not stop abortions. There would simply be a sharp increase in dangerous "back alley" abortions. And what about children who would have been born with a handicap, or were the product of a rape? People wonder why Obama put money for contraceptives in the stimulus plan? This is why. Families would be able to avoid having unwanted children (thus saving a significant amount of money), but we could also cut back on the number of abortions, since the child would not have been conceived in the first place.

As for drugs, I think the majority of drugs should remain illegal. Cocaine, heroin, meth - these are all extremely dangerous and cause untold suffering in the lives of millions. But there are some drugs, such as marijuana, which are not dangerous and I believe should be legalized. There have been numerous studies on the subject of marijuana, all of which have concluded that its use is not a risk to society. Nobody ever died from smoking a joint (although smoking pot does increase your chance of having an accident of some sort - but, really, "don't be stupid" is the lesson here).

Now onto prostitution. Yes, I believe that should be legalized too. It's the oldest business on the planet and it's not going away, so we might as well regulate it and make sure that prostitutes have access to health care and contraceptives. In Nevada, where prostitution is legal, prostitutes are checked weekly for STDs and monthly for HIV, and condoms are mandatory for oral sex and intercourse. You may not agree with it, but I think we have an obligation to make sure that this industry is at least a safe one.

As for Guantanamo Bay, and giving lawyers to prisoners - Ooooh, lawyers! We wouldn't want to treat them as human beings and give them fair trials, now would we? I think it's shameful the way we've held the prisoners at Guantanamo with such a total disregard of our own laws. If these men are guilty, the evidence will speak for itself at trial.

That's all for now. I might offer my opinions again if more interesting stuff comes up.

Um, the thing about trying the Gitmo detainee's in American trials is that none of them were read their Meranda right, if we try them by American law guilty or not they were never read their rights, they get to walk

fyi.

But even still, they aren't american citizens or protected by our constitution

Well, we have to give them a trial somewhere, don't we? And as you said yourself, if we do it here, they need to have their Miranda rights read.

True, but we can't try them like American citizens, because they are not.

Do I have the answers, no, but trying nonAmerican citizens under laws they don't believe in with rights that they have tried to take away from us by trying to kill us doesn't seem like the right way to go to me, I could be wrong.

We try murderers and rapists fairly. By the way a lot of American citizens themselves don't believe in the law. They're called criminals.

some one who isn't a citizen of a country shouldn't really be held accountable for the laws that they don't live under.

what?

So by that logic, if I break a law in England, I should just rot in a jail for the rest of my life with no trial because I broke a law in a country that I don't live in?

Ones that there isn't proof there should be a trial, but can we really try them under american law? shouldn't they be tried by the laws of their homelands instead?

Keep in mind, they aren't a part necessarily of our legal system, they don't have the protection of a citizen, they don't have the rights to a fiar trial explained in our consitution... because they aren't citizens. That's the biggest point of consideration.

But there's got to be a reasont hey would claim that he planned to kill thousands of people, the government didn't just stroll down the street of Anytown, USA grabbing people and sending them to Gitmo, they generally had reasons.