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Hey, it's serious issue time!

I kind of got into "discussing" this issue on some website after I read about a disturbing case. The results were..not pleasant.

I figured that all of you, that's right, you are exponentially more intelligent than the people on the comments section of that website I tried to talk to.

So, my ideas are kind of summed up in the following link. The story and the comments are there. I chose the alias, "Justin" ,unfortunately as you'll see, and got to it. It felt uncomfortably like talking to Cleverbot at times.

Godziller's Adventures in trying to Talk about the Death Penalty or Why Some People Shouldn't Use the Internet

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/01/ ... ets_no.php

You can even completely disregard that if you want and just start talking about the death penalty in general (wrong, right, party all night). It's a pretty broad issue that I'd like some peoples' opinions on.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

I'm disappointed that you didn't understand "Justin Igger".
If you'd noticed that then you could've sent that person straight to the cleaners. The small amount of credibility that they had left would've been torn tp shreds if you'd picked up on that.

EDIT: In case you still haven't realised, he was implying that you were black, (just a nigger), and according to him, this also entails being stupid.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

That's what I thought at first but two other people seemed to recognize a user named Justin Igger.

Anyway, your take on the death penalty, Smutty?

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

I live in Australia, and we don't have it here, but we do happen to have one of the most notorious mass-murderers in the world (Martin Bryant), locked up in the very city I live in actually.
There are times I feel that death is an easy ticket, away from guilt or whatever other bullshit these suckers would have to go through.
A guy like the guy in that article you linked to would get the absolute shit beaten out of him in prison.
I don't agree with your whole "innocent people" approach, but I guess it might just be that our justice system doesn't have the same habit of convicting innocent people, which America has become a bit infamous for.
I guess I'm pro-death penalty. I dunno.
Sorry if this post is a little incomphrehensible or just down-right incorrect. It's late and I've been imbibing substances.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

No it's fine.

I remember that there was a study conducted concerning a number of people on death row who were exonerated by way of DNA evidence. I'll try to dig that up but the theory is that if those people who were about to be executed were innocent then how many innocent people must have been killed already. I'm almost positive that the study was done in the United States. I'll also look up Martin Bryant now. I've never heard of him.


And I just got that. Though I don't know why two people seemed to know what he was talking about.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

Well Godziller would if you were innocently charged for a crime would you rather a life-imprisonment or the death penalty? I'm sure I'd prefer the latter.
It may be cowardly, but I'd rather no life at all than a totally shit undeserved prison life.
But then again, this could be the zombie-rocket talking.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

Well, Maybe they could get an appeal or become free as a result of DNA evidence. I'm fairly certain that most people wouldn't want to die. If they had families, I'd think that they would still like to talk to them and try to get this whole false imprisonment thing worked out one way or another.


I'm going to pretend that I understood that and move on with my life.

Edit: I just saw someone on the website say that most Prisoners have it easy.

Wrong, from what I know. Even if they don't get shanked on a daily basis, prison isn't exactly a cake walk.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

Mostly depends on what the person has done, rapists (especially pedophiles) and child-killers are always the most likely to get totally fucked up.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

Yeah, but I guess the point I'm trying to make is even if nothing happens to you, prison life sucks.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

And that's why the death penalty is an easy way out. That's what I tried to get at before. And probably failed.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

Yeah, but even if prison life sucks (which it does) I was just saying that I'm pretty sure most innocent people wouldn't want to die.

Anyway, that would be a bad argument to defend the death penalty. It kind of boils down to: The innocent ones are better off dead.

Though I may be misconstruing your argument.

I agree that criminals should rot in prison (even if it costs more money) rather than be killed.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

OR: There shouldn't fucking be any innocent ones at all.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

Great idea!

Seriously though, that would be great if the justice system was perfect. Unfortunately innocent people get sent to jail and criminals get free.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

I'm generally against the death penalty. If they did something so hideous that they deserve to die, I'd rather they rot in jail. But honestly, I don't know. Sometimes I'd rather has a mass murderer die.

It's not an issue that pertains to my life in any way, so I'm not really sure. As long as innocent people don't get wrongly convicted, It doesn't matter to me what happens to inmates. Inevitably, there will be a small number on innocent people convicted for life, and even receive the death penalty.

I really don't know.

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

Yes. Should one deserve it. IE the people in Godziller's link, the piece of shit being brought to NYC to be tried as a civilian, and others.

Now, murder is an odd case. If murder occurs in the act of self-defense or for a more righteous purpose (e.g. Somali pirates), obviously no. It's a terrible thing to say, but sometimes people really do need to die.



But if murder occurs as mentioned in Godziller's link, then yes. The people were planning to kill, already willing to take a life just so their burglary would succeed. The whole 'regret not killing the daughter' thing is controversial; you realize that he does have a point in saying that, as it's true the daughter will now grow up in a foster home. Had she died that night, this report would be different and those men would easily be sitting on Death Row right now. But on the other hand, these men are still intentionally killing people. Plus, the way they describe it as "worthy of envy," shows what kind of sick fucks these people are. It's cases like these where people need to be put down for the greater good.

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The greater good!

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

"If he doesn't get the death penalty, he could end up free."

Uh, no.

"If he doesn't get the death penalty, he will be able to live better than most of us! Three free meals a day, free cable, free electricity, free gas, free schooling, free medicines, free health care, free therapy. Well, free for him anyways. We have to pay for them to live better than us and most of them are the scum of the earth."

Also, no.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

^ Agreed.

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Mexicano Al Grito De Guerra

I think the death penalty should be around, but not often used. Kind of the better to have and not need, so that way if some one butchers a bunch of kids it's there, but not to be used for like shoplifters and stuff. So that way it's kind of a deterrent.

Like WJK said, there are approriate times for it and times it's too much.

To summarize: Have it, but don't use it a lot.

Yo, Godziller (Don't know if you can) or Curi, why not convert this to a poll so we can see some numbers at quick glance, like 'for' 'against' and 'uncertain' for choices

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@RealSlimCAvery

The death penalty is not a deterrent. If someone's going to murder someone then they're not going to stop and think, "Oh wait, I could get killed." They're going to do it anyway.

Also, there are statistics to back my opinion up. Texas, the state that executes the most people, also is the state with the highest murder rates.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."