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I know there are a few threads that discuss Watchmen prequels, spinoffs and sequels, but for this thread, let's assume the worse. A new Watchmen comic is being made, period. It's happening and you can't stop it. You, however get to pick what the story will be about. The idea that would work the best, and fuck up the original the least.

What would it be?

Give your best idea for a prequel, spinoff and sequel.

I'll take the concepts that seem to have the most fan approval and use them in a new article I'm writing for the main site.

Now before you all get upset, I think any sequel, spinoff or prequel is a shitty idea and will frame the article around that basic thought. This is just to see, if it had to be done, what do you think would be the best possible way to do it.

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We form a terrorist cell and ambush the DC headquarters...

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

A prequel series involving the Minutemen and another series about the Crimebusters/Watchmen in the 70's.

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Minutemen prequel, like Alan and Dave almost went through with.

Dr. Manhattan's new universe spin-off.

Rorschach prequel, mostly from his journal (both pre-Roche and post-Roche).

Comedian spinoff.

Nite Owl spinoff.

Silk Spectre spinoff.

Adrian Veidt prequel, follows his journey to America, travels around the world, and building Veidt Enterprises.

And for the real fans - a Bubastis series.

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It's called Avatar.

Seriously though,




Yes

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

Okay, fine. Hypothetically.

While "The End is Nigh" reportedly had several gameplay issues (never got to play it, myself) the storyline for it (as summarized on Wikipedia) sounds like the right approach to take with any spin-off. Exploring the further adventures of the Crimebusters in the time before the Keene Act would be a good step. Extending a similar treatment toward the Minutemen pre-retirement would be serviceable.

However, it absolutely must be said, NO SEQUELS. Everything in Watchmen led to that diary ending in Seymour's hands when it did, so revealing the diary's fate would imply that everything in the novel had led to that decision. It would, in effect, ruin Watchmen retroactively.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

DC finds out there's a legal snafu and they can't use the Watchmen characters after all, so they end up doing the stories using the original Charlton characters...





What? I like the symmetry.
Okay, I'll keep thinking...

How about a legal snafu in which DC finds out that Lawrence Gordon accidentally sold the comic rights to Fox?

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

Honestly, that's a great idea, and it would provide a nice outer-layer symmetry.

Or, driven to obsession by the strange journal he picked up, a slimmed-down and toned-up Seymour launches his career as the newest version of Rorschach! Patrolling the streets on his motorcycle, the Pretty Butterfly, he eventually meets and teams up with Nite Owl and the Comedienne, forming the New Crimebusters! But busting crime is not easy when you're busy dodging Adrian Veidt's new pyramidal-shaped hat-wearing security task force, the Veemasons!

Mothman's grandson gets involved as a spunky sidekick, and then Manhattan comes back as some sort of Galactus-type threat. *YAWN* Maybe we find Adrian was possessed by an alien or something at the end. Man, writing comics is easy.

Comedian War Journal

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This.

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The only story I want to know more about is the rise and fall of the Minute Men, and the rise and fall of the Crimebusters

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But where's the fun in that? As DD said:



That being said, we should be able to come up with whatever idea we want. I think everyone is a little too afraid that they're Watchmen ideas might be taken seriously, no matter how ridiculous. But it's not as if our ideas are going to result in a new Watchmen comic anyways, so why not have fun with it?

So, here's my ridiculous Watchmen sequel.

The story is one of obsession. It takes place in present day New York. New Frontiersman founder Hector Godfrey has just died. He died alone in a run down apartment. He was unmarried, and had no children. After shutting down The New Frontiersman for good in 1989, Hector decided to go into hiding, and lived a a recluse who died penniless. He had two co-possessions that he left for his old assistant Seymour. One leather bound journal, with the words "Journal: 1984/1985" printed on it's cover, and one scrapbook filled with hundreds of notes, photo's, pages, etc. He also left a note, "It's your problem now". These possessions are found in a safety deposit box, at First National Bank, NY. It is here where the story beings, as Seymour, now in his 40's, decides what to do with the journal.

The story recounts the years in between, as the two men debate what, if anything, to do with the journal. Both men doubting the veracity of its contents, while being reluctant to get rid of it. As the years go by, the two men become estranged, with Hector becoming more and more sure of the journal's authenticity, tracking down dead end leads, hoping to decipher meaning from its pages, while Seymour tries to cut off contact with him, and begins to regret having ever found the journal. Yet it's implications have a hold on them, as well as the questions it raises. What ever happened to the vigilante Rorschach, who had escaped from prison and was never found since? What ever happened to the second Nite Owl, and the second Silk Spectre, who helped him escape? Who really killed the Comedian, and what to make of Rorschach's cryptic comments about Adrian Veidt? The journal's contents could mean nothing. Or they could mean everything.

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As you wish. The statement wasn't meant as a rule for the thread, just as my opinion on the matter.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

T3cii's imagining is not bad, but that idea right there would necessarily require reading and understanding "Watchmen", it's too intimate, and it doesn't have the scale and grandeur that the first one had.

And personally ? I would prefer it if the main characters were the ones who survived before, with Rorschach assuming a more "Comedic" role. That's if there are absolutely no ideas for new characters, because I really can't see Manhattan coming back.

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This doesn't really have anything to do with anything but I've always wanted to see Rorschach throwing molotov cocktails at rioters and then beating them to death with a baseball bat with barbed wire wrapped around it.

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" Funny STORY. Sounds UNBELIEVABLE. Probably TRUE."

The Trial by Neil Gaiman
Laurie and Dan are taken to court for springing Rorschach out of prison, and are also being put under pressure by law enforcement agencies for his wearabouts. Their case is being handled by up and coming young lawyer Harvey Kent (Later to become two-face, and foster cousin to the yet-to-be-born Clark Kent). The events are manipulated through various realities by Doctor Manhattan, crimes, chraracters and surroundings changing one after the other. The outcome of the final chapter is left ambiguous.

EDIT: Just letting you know that I actually do like Gaiman, it's just sometimes his ideas and style are easy to make fun of.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

Asking me what I think would be a good idea for a Watchmen spinoff is like asking a Jew for ideas about a sequel to the Tanakh.

Point taken, and I agree. But what I was really hoping to get, especially from dedicated fans like yourself, is, if it had to happen, and you were put in charge of making it, what could be done that would cause the "least damage" and may actually not be terrible.

Yes, I know the question to some here is like asking which one of your children should be saved if they were drowning - I'm with you. I'm still very curious to see what "real" ideas you have.

A Minutemen or Crimebusters prequel would do the "least damage," but, what would they really have to say? Watchmen already covered all of the juicy parts of these characters' past, so what's left? Sure, we could see Rorschach and Nite Owl fight crime in the 70's, but what insight would we gain into their characters?

As far as a sequel, can it be done without killing Watchmen's beautiful ambiguity? Could you perhaps tell a story that left the results of Vedit's squid vague but still somehow tell a good story?

And let me aim this last comment at Vynson - You yourself had said Watchmen should not be made into a movie, and it was best left in its original form, yet you still attempted to write several movie scripts. You took on that challenge, why not this one?

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God, this topic was just getting good.

My 2 pence. t3cii's story was pretty much it...but in order for it to be an aesthetic Watchmen sequel, you're gonna need people in silly costumes beating people up.

I say look at Veidt's logo, now that he runs New York...s'a pyramid, right?

Say the journal DID get published, but it wrought so much anger at the New Frontiersman (slinging mud at the venerated Adrian that is actually rebuilding the damaged city) that the paper had to be shut down...a little quickly, some conspiracy theorists might say. We get some shots of these conspirators...hacks, loons, paranoid lefties skulking in college dorms and behind computer screens. The outcasts of society. Say you had one who, after a long time spent nurturing these theories, was nominated spokesman for the group, and led his own investigation into the closing and subsequent burning of the Frontiersman building.

Because of the sensitivity of the subject, he has to explore the ruins and chase up paper trails anonymously...when he visits the site where the Frontiersman used to be, he goes masked. Feeding back information to his conspiracy group,(who are a mixture of Russian and American kooks, end of the Cold War bringing former enemies as tourists) they decide they're onto something and begin to step up their investigations, masked, costumed, making people aware that some are asking questions. They covertly and overtly make questions of the supposedly "lost" technology of teleportation, the power of psychic energies and the lack of follow up "alien" attacks. Targeted by the police, Veidt lawyers and soon, the media, this group takes their symbol from the Comedian's badge...set at the top of Veidt's pyramid (obviously the symbology being that of the Illuminati's eye in pyramid symbol) and obviously, because this is a sequel, after the deaths of a few of their members, they discover the truth from the first movie and confront Veidt, now an ageing old man, at his official Veidt HQ overlooking the newly rebuilt New York in his companies image. After a fight (gotta have a climactic battle) with security forces and a certain Mr and Mrs Hollis, sworn to protect the truth they lost their identities for (fanservice), Adrian asks the group why they would try and undo everything he created...world peace, the end of international conflict, why would they destroy the utopia he had created for them. Adrian gestures to the window, overlooking all of New York, painted in purple and yellow.


Sequel ends as the group decide to go public with their evidence, but are declared insane and subjects to mass hallucinations. Their sentencing to years in mental hospitals is intercut with Adrian finally dying of old age...and taking the truth with him.


Yeah so its maybe a little hammy, we agreed any sequel will ruin the original, and reading back I dont like my ending, but s' an excersise in creativity. I certainly think that that storyline would make it more contemporary, everybody knows crazy conspiracy theorists in their office/internet forums, everybody has heard of the Illuminati, and a lot of people hate multinational corporations (Veidt industries) There was more imagery that I was going to work on...like the members of the group all taking their names from Alexander the Great's generals...alas.