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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:14 pm 
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You have to admit, the Bateman one would be fun.

That's just crazey craze. On so many levels.

It would be fun.


That's the spirit.

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AmongstFoundations wrote:
Sequel: I GOT IT. You can have your cake and eat it too. Watchmen: Infinities. 80ish page giants that each explore a different scenario. None of them get to be canon in any meaningful way, so, Watchmen keeps itself ambiguous.

So it's not really a sequel so much as it's a bunch of one-shots exploring all the possible outcomes of the squid attack and Rorschach's journal drop, without establishing which one is actually what happened?

That... that could actually work. The trick, however, would be keeping the one-shots LIMITED to one-shots. If any of them were expanded into ongoing storylines, that would be in danger of becoming canon.

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Watchmen: Infinities.... lol. I hope it wouldn't be as terrible as Star Wars: Infinities. Basically, an Infinities story is a completely non-canon retelling of the whole story.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:07 am 
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WJK wrote:
Watchmen: Infinities.... lol. I hope it wouldn't be as terrible as Star Wars: Infinities. Basically, an Infinities story is a completely non-canon retelling of the whole story.


ok so, a retelling of watchmen, Niteowl II dies in stead of The Comedian, so at the end scene at Karnak, Ozymandias may be able to catch a bullet fired by Laurie, he cant catch a whole lot bullets fired out of M16 or MAC 11 by The Comedian.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:08 pm 
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To me this is all like fanfiction. Some is written by, well, fans, and some gets produced by people who own the rights and want to make a buck and pay other people to write it, and the outcome then is official and regarded as 'canon'.

Perhaps something even turns out ok or even good. This occasionally happens with fanfiction.
But I won't waste much thought on it.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:58 pm 
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WJK wrote:
Watchmen: Infinities.... lol. I hope it wouldn't be as terrible as Star Wars: Infinities. Basically, an Infinities story is a completely non-canon retelling of the whole story.

I just realized I was totally getting Star Wars: Infinities and Star Wars: Tales confused. Infinities was interesting. Sloppy, but interesting. To me, further exploring the Vader reforming What If? at the end really would've made for a better story than any of the rest of it. I'm glad I only glossed through it at Borders.

Now, that I think of it, Tales isn't anything like what I was describing anyway, except for the alternating writers bit. Speaking of which Deadpool Team-Up and a couple others are doing that bit now so it's certainly possible.
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AmongstFoundations wrote:
Sequel: I GOT IT. You can have your cake and eat it too. Watchmen: Infinities. 80ish page giants that each explore a different scenario. None of them get to be canon in any meaningful way, so, Watchmen keeps itself ambiguous.

So it's not really a sequel so much as it's a bunch of one-shots exploring all the possible outcomes of the squid attack and Rorschach's journal drop, without establishing which one is actually what happened?

That... that could actually work. The trick, however, would be keeping the one-shots LIMITED to one-shots. If any of them were expanded into ongoing storylines, that would be in danger of becoming canon.

I figured 80-pages is a pretty decent space for getting your word in, and, if they do make sequels to the one-shots, as long as they pick more than one to expand on, we're good.

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To me this is all like fanfiction. Some is written by, well, fans, and some gets produced by people who own the rights and want to make a buck and pay other people to write it, and the outcome then is official and regarded as 'canon'.

Perhaps something even turns out ok or even good. This occasionally happens with fanfiction.
But I won't waste much thought on it.

I don't want to condescend too much, but I think we should pretty much all have this attitude towards this whole deal. Just because they put it out, and even if DC makes it official canon or whatever, it doesn't become anymore valid.

They published a sequel to Catcher In The Rye too, you know.

(Granted, there were a whole bunch of legal problems and I don't recall what exactly became of it, but that's not the point.)

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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
AmongstFoundations wrote:
Sequel: I GOT IT. You can have your cake and eat it too. Watchmen: Infinities. 80ish page giants that each explore a different scenario. None of them get to be canon in any meaningful way, so, Watchmen keeps itself ambiguous.

So it's not really a sequel so much as it's a bunch of one-shots exploring all the possible outcomes of the squid attack and Rorschach's journal drop, without establishing which one is actually what happened?

That... that could actually work. The trick, however, would be keeping the one-shots LIMITED to one-shots. If any of them were expanded into ongoing storylines, that would be in danger of becoming canon.


So, sort of like Marvel's "What If...?" books? (Except without the seemingly inevitable "And then, because it happened this way, ALL LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE WAS EXTINGUISHED!!!!!" ending? Although, it is Watchmen...) Because I was totally thinking about that a few days ago. :geek:


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Janx wrote:
Curiosity Inc. wrote:
AmongstFoundations wrote:
Sequel: I GOT IT. You can have your cake and eat it too. Watchmen: Infinities. 80ish page giants that each explore a different scenario. None of them get to be canon in any meaningful way, so, Watchmen keeps itself ambiguous.

So it's not really a sequel so much as it's a bunch of one-shots exploring all the possible outcomes of the squid attack and Rorschach's journal drop, without establishing which one is actually what happened?

That... that could actually work. The trick, however, would be keeping the one-shots LIMITED to one-shots. If any of them were expanded into ongoing storylines, that would be in danger of becoming canon.


So, sort of like Marvel's "What If...?" books? (Except without the seemingly inevitable "And then, because it happened this way, ALL LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE WAS EXTINGUISHED!!!!!" ending? Although, it is Watchmen...) Because I was totally thinking about that a few days ago. :geek:

This really is the best idea. Starting a new thread...

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[NOTE: Merged. --"Curiosity Inc."]

I read a few things here and there that many people are so opposed to expanding the Watchmen as a series. Why? Nobody is talking about a sequel, by any means. Nor do I think anyone would try to replicate the magic of the existing novel. But why not a series of short stories to expand on the backgrounds? I can see a great series of comics that would focus on each character's background.

Comedian - Minutemen, The War, Government Work. That's a series in itself.

The End is Nigh was a good example. Low on story, but the concept is there. Why not discuss Owl and Rorsh. war on the gangs in the 70's? Great idea.

And as far as sequels go, how about a short story on Jon after he leaves this galaxy?

None of these things would conflict with the core novel. But they would provide terric bonus material for the fans.


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I read a few things here and there that many people are so opposed to expanding the Watchmen as a series. Why?

Get out.

Now.

(kidding)

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A.G. wrote:
[NOTE: Merged. --"Curiosity Inc."]

I read a few things here and there that many people are so opposed to expanding the Watchmen as a series. Why? Nobody is talking about a sequel, by any means. Nor do I think anyone would try to replicate the magic of the existing novel. But why not a series of short stories to expand on the backgrounds? I can see a great series of comics that would focus on each character's background.

Comedian - Minutemen, The War, Government Work. That's a series in itself.

The End is Nigh was a good example. Low on story, but the concept is there. Why not discuss Owl and Rorsh. war on the gangs in the 70's? Great idea.

And as far as sequels go, how about a short story on Jon after he leaves this galaxy?

None of these things would conflict with the core novel. But they would provide terric bonus material for the fans.


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