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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:52 pm 
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really average super-hero comedy


Not about super-heroes. At all.

Don't believe him tbone! He lies!

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Misleading trailer then. With the comic book BAM's and POW's and the fact that Scott Pilgrim gets thrown half way across a theme park by one of the "boyfriends", they all just seem to be super strong. It appears I have been proven wrong, but having no prior knowledge of Scott Pilgrim, and this trailer being the first thing I have seen of it, you may understand why I thought it had super-heroes in it.

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Sorry.

Better be!!! :x

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Misleading trailer then. With the comic book BAM's and POW's and the fact that Scott Pilgrim gets thrown half way across a theme park by one of the "boyfriends", they all just seem to be super strong. It appears I have been proven wrong, but having no prior knowledge of Scott Pilgrim, and this trailer being the first thing I have seen of it, you may understand why I thought it had super-heroes in it.

Sorry.


No need to appologize, tbone. I can understand why you would think it was about super-heroes if you didn't have any prior knowledge. But the trailer isn't misleading. It's not really about characters having powers. Just image if you lived in a regular world...but you were able to do dragon punches and fireballs.

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Or fire punches and dragon balls! :)

(Not those Dragon Balls)

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Misleading trailer then. With the comic book BAM's and POW's and the fact that Scott Pilgrim gets thrown half way across a theme park by one of the "boyfriends", they all just seem to be super strong. It appears I have been proven wrong, but having no prior knowledge of Scott Pilgrim, and this trailer being the first thing I have seen of it, you may understand why I thought it had super-heroes in it.

Sorry.


No need to appologize, tbone. I can understand why you would think it was about super-heroes if you didn't have any prior knowledge. But the trailer isn't misleading. It's not really about characters having powers. Just image if you lived in a regular world...but you were able to do dragon punches and fireballs.

I quite agree, though I don't think that last part quite does the concept justice.

The onscreen onomatopoeias are just a clever way of making the violence more cartoonish and visually dynamic. In truth, the fight scenes aren't really comic book parodies so much as they're video game parodies. That "K.O.!" clip from the trailer used moves and sound effects from Street Fighter and it was lifted verbatim from Vol. 1. Ditto for the "Scott VS. Todd" shot in the trailer, which appeared in Vol. 3 and is more of a riff on Mortal Kombat. There's also the split-second shot near the trailer's end of a fallen enemy bursting into a cloud of coins, which is something quite frequent in most video games.

If you think it's ridiculous that this early-twenties Canadian slacker can do a 64-hit air juggle, I would submit that it's no more ridiculous than a teenaged girl who's physically capable of any special move in Chun-Li's repertoire, an obese plumber who can jump twenty feet, a guy with chronic depression who can wield a sword eight feet long or a character who can store any number of weapons, all of which he instantly knows how to use.

I personally thought that the story's "video game parody" aspect came through loud and clear, though I can see how it might have been misinterpreted.

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Misleading trailer then. With the comic book BAM's and POW's and the fact that Scott Pilgrim gets thrown half way across a theme park by one of the "boyfriends", they all just seem to be super strong. It appears I have been proven wrong, but having no prior knowledge of Scott Pilgrim, and this trailer being the first thing I have seen of it, you may understand why I thought it had super-heroes in it.

Sorry.


No need to appologize, tbone. I can understand why you would think it was about super-heroes if you didn't have any prior knowledge. But the trailer isn't misleading. It's not really about characters having powers. Just image if you lived in a regular world...but you were able to do dragon punches and fireballs.

I quite agree, though I don't think that last part quite does the concept justice.

The onscreen onomatopoeias are just a clever way of making the violence more cartoonish and visually dynamic. In truth, the fight scenes aren't really comic book parodies so much as they're video game parodies. That "K.O.!" clip from the trailer used moves and sound effects from Street Fighter and it was lifted verbatim from Vol. 1. Ditto for the "Scott VS. Todd" shot in the trailer, which appeared in Vol. 3 and is more of a riff on Mortal Kombat. There's also the split-second shot near the trailer's end of a fallen enemy bursting into a cloud of coins, which is something quite frequent in most video games.

If you think it's ridiculous that this early-twenties Canadian slacker can do a 64-hit air juggle, I would submit that it's no more ridiculous than a teenaged girl who's physically capable of any special move in Chun-Li's repertoire, an obese plumber who can jump twenty feet, a guy with chronic depression who can wield a sword eight feet long or a character who can store any number of weapons, all of which he instantly knows how to use.

I personally thought that the story's "video game parody" aspect came through loud and clear, though I can see how it might have been misinterpreted
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I think this is why the mass public's interest in this movie is going to be really interesting in whether they get it or not. It's a lot simpler to understand the tone of the movie if Scott Pilgrim was an animated film.


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Thing is, now I have looked in to it a bit, I am of the frame of mind of MUST READ IT.... MUST WATCH IT. After reading your comments I totally see where the trailer is coming from, and now it looks pretty awesome. :D I think the art style in the comics is really cute as well ^_^

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Thing is, now I have looked in to it a bit, I am of the frame of mind of MUST READ IT.... MUST WATCH IT. After reading your comments I totally see where the trailer is coming from, and now it looks pretty awesome. :D I think the art style in the comics is really cute as well ^_^

Hooray full 360 degrees!!! ^_^

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as long as it's made clear that all the weird special effects is all in SPs head, i think it will do fine, that kind of thing has been seen a lot in visual media over the years what with tv shows like scrubs, and things in movies like the dance routione in (500) days of summer. i think people will be pretty prepared for it, if it is marketed right.

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as long as it's made clear that all the weird special effects is all in SPs head, i think it will do fine, that kind of thing has been seen a lot in visual media over the years what with tv shows like scrubs, and things in movies like the dance routione in (500) days of summer. i think people will be pretty prepared for it, if it is marketed right.

But... it's not. It's not in Scott's head. That's part of what makes the comic so good. It's surreal escapism.

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as long as it's made clear that all the weird special effects is all in SPs head, i think it will do fine, that kind of thing has been seen a lot in visual media over the years what with tv shows like scrubs, and things in movies like the dance routione in (500) days of summer. i think people will be pretty prepared for it, if it is marketed right.

But... it's not. It's not in Scott's head. That's part of what makes the comic so good. It's surreal escapism.


if it's not in his head, but it is escapism.... who's escapism is it?
as someone who hasn't read the book that geos right over my head. (bear in mind i do have the first book on order :D)

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Escapism for the reader. But all of the fighting and video game stuff is happening.

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Escapism for the reader. But all of the fighting and video game stuff is happening.


is there any moment that absolutely prooves that it is not in SPs head?

i'm all for the escapism though, i just think it works better when it is confined by the protagonist's imagination.

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is there any moment that absolutely prooves that it is not in SPs head?

Is there any moment in my life that proves that this world isn't completely in my head and everyone and everything else doesn't really exist?

Not yet but I'm sure there will be. It's all far too improbable.

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Escapism for the reader. But all of the fighting and video game stuff is happening.


is there any moment that absolutely prooves that it is not in SPs head?

Well, all the other characters see what he sees.

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I think the way the comics work is it translates what's intangible into some visible. Take the premise, it plays off the tension between a guy and his girlfriend's exes, a typical scenario. That tension is complicated and not easily resolved. So the escapism is that, look, it's now in forms guys like us and Scott can understand - martial arts combat, Street Fighter style! - where there are definite and clear victors.
Of course, that's only one facet of the awesome construction that is the Scott Pilgrim world.

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Thing is, now I have looked in to it a bit, I am of the frame of mind of MUST READ IT.... MUST WATCH IT. After reading your comments I totally see where the trailer is coming from, and now it looks pretty awesome. :D I think the art style in the comics is really cute as well ^_^

Hooray full 360 degrees!!! ^_^



360? we are back where we started then :lol:

I think you mean 180?

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Thing is, now I have looked in to it a bit, I am of the frame of mind of MUST READ IT.... MUST WATCH IT. After reading your comments I totally see where the trailer is coming from, and now it looks pretty awesome. :D I think the art style in the comics is really cute as well ^_^

Hooray full 360 degrees!!! ^_^



360? we are back where we started then :lol:

I think you mean 180?


pwned.

I think it would be funny if in the final book it is revealed that all of this actually is happening inside Scott's mind. That all of his friends have just been humouring him because they feel sorry for him. That he is actually very sick and lives his life as if it were a video game. The series ends when he tragically falls off of a roof in an effort to fly, thinking he found the cape feather from Super Mario World.

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Thing is, now I have looked in to it a bit, I am of the frame of mind of MUST READ IT.... MUST WATCH IT. After reading your comments I totally see where the trailer is coming from, and now it looks pretty awesome. :D I think the art style in the comics is really cute as well ^_^

Hooray full 360 degrees!!! ^_^



360? we are back where we started then :lol:

I think you mean 180?

Oh, damn...

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Edgar Wright breaks down the trailer:http://www.empireonline.com/features/edgar-wright-talks-scott-pilgrim-teaser-trailer/default.asp

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^ Awesome article. Thanks for sharing, t3cii.

On the subject of Scott Pilgrim's universe, I think it might help to see it as a video game world (presented in comic book form) with inhabitants that are completely aware of video games and their cliches.

Not getting it? Allow me to elaborate:

You know those times when you're watching a horror movie and you know there's a killer waiting behind that door, but the idiot character opens the door anyway? That's because we know the standard horror movie cliches and the characters in the movie don't. Contrast this with the Scream movies, in which the characters more or less know that they're in a slasher movie and know what to expect as such. They are therefore able to predict and comment on the proceedings as if they were completely ordinary (full disclosure: I haven't actually seen any of the Scream movies.)

Getting back to Scott Pilgrim, he and his friends are definitely gamers. Their band is called "Sex Bob-omb," for Miyamoto's sake. So if they're familiar with video games and they know that they're living in a world resembling a video game, then their reactions to floating items, save points and leveling up would be relatively mundane, wouldn't they?

If all else fails, just remember one of Mel Brooks' favorite methods of comedy: "Absurd situations played straight."

As for the floating sound effects, try thinking of them as sound waves made visible.

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