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They don't intend to answer every question, only the ones that matter to the characters. Will you get an answer as to why a modern washer and dryer was in the hatch? I'm going to guess no. Will you get an answer as to why Jacob and MIB are feuding? I'd bet some money on it.

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They don't intend to answer every question, only the ones that matter to the characters. Will you get an answer as to why a modern washer and dryer was in the hatch? I'm going to guess no. Will you get an answer as to why Jacob and MIB are feuding? I'd bet some money on it.


I had heard about that, at first I was concerned, but as long as one can watch the show again and find complete coherence, then there really shouldn't be any problem.

So, any spoilers for the next episode :lol: ?

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So, any spoilers for the next episode :lol: ?


[Spoilers]Looks like it's going to be a Desmond episode. And from what Damon Lindelof has hinted it's going to be a polarizing episode.[Spoilers]

As far as questions go, these are ones I think need to be answered:

- Is Aaron at all important in any way, and if so how? This was something that was hinted at in season 1 yet seemed to be completely dropped.

- Desmond had visions of Claire leaving the island. I really hope this isn't something that is also dropped because this was a big part of what made Charley decide to swim to the Looking Glass and ultimately risk his life

- Walt. I felt the writers really chickened out by writing him out of the story. Like Aaron, there was a great deal of mystery surrounding him. Also like Aaron his storyline was dropped. I can understand it was difficult having him on the show since most of it took place within a time frame of 3 months, and he aged significantly in that time, but they built him up by giving him powers and having him be kidnapped by the Others. I want to see some explanation to it all.

- I'd like to know why it was these characters that were brought to the island. I mean why these specific characters? Why Jack and co and not anyone else? What makes them special?

- Christian. He's been noticeably absent this season, and I haven't seen his name listed in any recent episode updates. I'd like to know what his significance is.

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Christian. He's been noticeably absent this season, and I haven't seen his name listed in any recent episode updates. I'd like to know what his significance is.


Maybe I am rushing too far................................but I had already assumed that Christian was simply MIB, we know he pulled that stunt with Ben by posing as Alex, so maybe he was simply manipulating the characters by posing as the first dead body he could find.

Even so, this "theory" can't be considered ascertive, because we haven't seen Christian's body, and as we know, we did see Locke's, so it's not like MIB needs to take the body to shapeshift.

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Christian. He's been noticeably absent this season, and I haven't seen his name listed in any recent episode updates. I'd like to know what his significance is.


Maybe I am rushing too far................................but I had already assumed that Christian was simply MIB, we know he pulled that stunt with Ben by posing as Alex, so maybe he was simply manipulating the characters by posing as the first dead body he could find.

Even so, this "theory" can't be considered ascertive, because we haven't seen Christian's body, and as we know, we did see Locke's, so it's not like MIB needs to take the body to shapeshift.


I agree. Not only Alex, but Dave too (remember that bald dude from season 2?).

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I agree. Not only Alex, but Dave too (remember that bald dude from season 2?).


Possibly, it was great to see Charlie Runkle fly all the way from L.A. to the island.

Ooops ! Wrong show :) !

Anyways, talking seriously, I think Dave could've been MIB, particularly because of the manipulation involved, which doesn't show with other characters who are dead.

We might have seen MIB much more than we are thinking :shock: !

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I agree. Not only Alex, but Dave too (remember that bald dude from season 2?).


Anyways, talking seriously, I think Dave could've been MIB, particularly because of the manipulation involved, which doesn't show with other characters who are dead.

We might have seen MIB much more than we are thinking :shock: !


Well, let's list them:
Dave
The black horse kate sees (dunno)
The voices in the jungle/whispers
Jack's Father

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Ghondar wrote:
Dave
The black horse kate sees (dunno)
The voices in the jungle/whispers
Jack's Father


Yemi
Possibly Walt
Isabella

I'm on the fence about Christian. It would make sense for the MIB to be posing as him, since Christian's agenda seems to be in line with MIB's, however there is one circumstance that doesn't seem likely, and that is when Christian speaks with Michael on the freighter. If MIB can't cross water, how did he appear to Michael as Christian?

Does Christian work with/for the MIB? I think that is possible.

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t3cii wrote:
I'm on the fence about Christian. It would make sense for the MIB to be posing as him, since Christian's agenda seems to be in line with MIB's, however there is one circumstance that doesn't seem likely, and that is when Christian speaks with Michael on the freighter. If MIB can't cross water, how did he appear to Michael as Christian?


NICE ONE, that alone and the fact that the body is missing could mean indeed that Christian is indeed himself and not MIB.

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Does Christian work with/for the MIB? I think that is possible.


It is possible, but he could also be working for Jacob, hard to know really, I would bet for the latter due to the benevolent nature of the character, STILL, we have to be aware that, as MIB, Jacob is also a manipulative prick :lol:

On another note, the black horse..................what the fuck was up with that :shock: ? as far as I can remember it was a Kate episode, but was it like Sawyer and the boar ? need refreshing over here !

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On another note, the black horse..................what the fuck was up with that :shock: ? as far as I can remember it was a Kate episode, but was it like Sawyer and the boar ? need refreshing over here !


I think it was from "What Kate Did". In her flashback a horse runs in front of the police car that she was being taken away in. The car swerves to avoid the horse but crashed into a tree. Kate manages to escape.

Kate sees the horse on the island, but so does Sawyer. I don't know if that was indeed smoke posing as the horse.

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t3cii wrote:
Kate sees the horse on the island, but so does Sawyer. I don't know if that was indeed smoke posing as the horse.


Maybe it's another reincarnated individual, maybe that horse was Kate's stepfather ?

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"Happily Ever After", 7.5/10

I know right away that some of you will think this episode is a classic and one of the best of the season. But this episode bugs me. It's the type of episode that is mostly dependent on characters and not plot. It has a bunch of fan wankery going on, the type of stuff easily pleased Lost fans will eat up. I want to like this episode, but I don't. It's a good episode but something about it just felt manipulative. I don't know, I'm just not feeling it.

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GOD DAMN IT WHAT A FUCKING AWESO-

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"Happily Ever After", 7.5/10

I know right away that some of you will think this episode is a classic and one of the best of the season. But this episode bugs me. It's the type of episode that is mostly dependent on characters and not plot. It has a bunch of fan wankery going on, the type of stuff easily pleased Lost fans will eat up. I want to like this episode, but I don't. It's a good episode but something about it just felt manipulative. I don't know, I'm just not feeling it.


... :oops:

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GOD DAMN IT WHAT A FUCKING AWESO-

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"Happily Ever After", 7.5/10

I know right away that some of you will think this episode is a classic and one of the best of the season. But this episode bugs me. It's the type of episode that is mostly dependent on characters and not plot. It has a bunch of fan wankery going on, the type of stuff easily pleased Lost fans will eat up. I want to like this episode, but I don't. It's a good episode but something about it just felt manipulative. I don't know, I'm just not feeling it.


... :oops:


:lol: I'm sorry Ghondor, I usually have a strong opinion after watching an episode. I can perfectly understand why you might enjoy the episode (and as I said, I knew some of you would) but I thought the episode was poor. I think it might feel fresh simply because the episode mostly takes place in one time line and a bunch of old characters show up. The more that I think about the episode the less I like it.

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:lol: I'm sorry Ghondor, I usually have a strong opinion after watching an episode. I can perfectly understand why you might enjoy the episode (and as I said, I knew some of you would) but I thought the episode was poor. I think it might feel fresh simply because the episode mostly takes place in one time line and a bunch of old characters show up. The more that I think about the episode the less I like it.


t3cii...........

............we love you man, but seriously, GET OVER IT

Do I like it when characters that are dead reappear on the show ? I don't mind, it's not my personal reason to like the show.

Do I like it when characters mysteriously and very frequently bump into each other ? not really, but you seem to have A LOT of trouble with this particular issue :lol:

Yes, it's just like you say, the "bumping" is nothing more than a way to please old fans and followers, but that does not mean at all that "Happily Ever After" was a bad episode, it was an incredible episode that reminded us again what the show is about, yes, a lot of people came back, but they all had a purpose in delivering the overall "punch" of the episode.

For the first time, for me at least, I felt that Charlie's reappearence was effective, it was one of the many cogs, along with Faraday and Charles Widmore, that allowed us to feel like we were seeing the show's guts, as it happens with every good episode of LOST.

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This might be a long post. I was just going to touch upon a few points but since the season is almost over here is my overall feelings of the season as a whole.

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GET OVER IT


Neverrrrrr!!!!! :x

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Do I like it when characters mysteriously and very frequently bump into each other ? not really, but you seem to have A LOT of trouble with this particular issue :lol:


My problem with it is every time they bring an old character back or when characters have these special connections it seems like a big wink to the audience. I find these encounters are more often than not a distraction, even though I was initially on board when Jack first met Locke (something which really hasn't amounted to anything yet). At their worst they're predictable (such as Alex being Ben's student). As well, the show is bringing back characters I have no interest it. Characters like Artz, Minkowski, Mikhail, etc. Supposedly the actor who played Mr Eko was interested in making an appearance yet its been reported that he is not being brought back. That the other guys made the cut and he didn't is annoying to me.

I've been trying to figure out why I didn't like the episode as much as everyone else, and I think I finally know the reason. It's why I haven't liked the entire season, despite a few excellent episodes. I really don't care about the flash sideways. At all. And since "Happily Ever After" is pretty much devoted to the concept, I think I was destined to not like it :)

We've been following these characters for six seasons now. I feel like we know them as well as we can possibly know them. But the flash sideways are forcing us to get to know these characters again. At this point in the game I don't know if I want to. And I find a lot of these story lines have had nowhere to go. Which is why I think the last episode suffered because of it.

I thought Desmond had the perfect story arc, which came to a satisfying conclusion at the end of season 4. So watching him try to connect with Penny again just doesn't carry any weight for me, especially when the writing is as sloppy as it is (he goes to the stadium, at night, and she doesn't question what he's doing there, or who he is, or how he knows her? I would have liked to have seen him work for it a bit).

The season in a way reminds me of seasons 3 and 5, my least favourite seasons. In these seasons the survivors are separated from one another for long stretches of episodes, and that's something that I think always hurts the story. Because very little seems to be happening on either side. Jack and co are still at the beach trying to figure out what they should do (although, with "The Package" hopefully there will be some actual momentum), and Sawyer and co are sitting around doing....what exactly? Seeing as how there is supposed to be a war coming, both groups seem to be stuck in one place. With only 5 episodes left I hope we see some actual movement to the plot.


As for the episode:

- I continue to hate Mrs Hawking. I have never liked her as a character and I hate the actress's performance. I think I might have said this before but she acts like she should be in a Disney movie. Her acting clashes with the other actors whose performances are mostly grounded in reality.

- One problem with the episode I had is that while it seems like a lot is happening, there really isn't. Desmond's conversations with Charlie all amount to the same thing (and I hope Charlie is arrested for almost getting themselves killed). And much of the episode consists of Desmond going from one location to another, meeting our favourite characters, and talking to them about love. This does not make for an exciting episode, in my mind.

- Daniel is a character we've known for two seasons. He died at the hands of his own mother on the island. So why did his return feel so unemotional and clumsy to me? I think this quote, from another forum broke it down best:

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Then you have Daniel walking up to him afterwards. Hey, I saw you asked to see that list. That means you must be having the same visions I'm having. I'm in love with a red head. I think I blew up an atomic bomb in another life. Go find my half sister


One last note, but I've realized something that is a bit disappointing. I think I enjoy the show mostly for its mystery. I like the characters but it's the twists and turns that have kept me so involved with the show. Now that we are getting some answers, I find them to be either unremarkable or poorly executed. Which means all that is left is the characters. And while I do love these characters, I still like a bit of action, a bit of mystery. A show like The Wire, for example (which you should all check out by the way) is all about the characters. But those characters are much better fleshed out than those on Lost, and the dialogue is much better. It might not be fair to compare the two as they are both so different, but the writing one The Wire is just more sophisticated than that of Lost.

I still have hope that I'll enjoy the rest of the season. I'm trying to not let my expectations get in the way of my enjoyment but it's not easy. I've been watching since the first episode, on the first night it aired (which was a Saturday if you can believe it). I'll never regret watching the show, but I do hope the writers still have some tricks up their sleeves for the finale.

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I think, at this point, if you weren't feeling Ab Aeterno or Happily Ever After, you're not going to like the rest of the season.

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I think, at this point, if you weren't feeling Ab Aeterno or Happily Ever After, you're not going to like the rest of the season.


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"Ab Aeterno", 9/10 (first half) 8.5/10 (second half)

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Wait, Lost started on a Saturday in Canada?

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Wait, Lost started on a Saturday in Canada?


As far as I can remember, it did. I thought it had premiered that night but I think it had premiered in the U.S a few days before. But I do remember seeing it on a Saturday. Although my memory could be off and CTV, the channel I usually watch it on, might have just ran an encore presentation. Either way, I watched the pilot on a Saturday.

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