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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

Last night's episode reminded me of some of the later episodes from Lost's final season. It had a lot going on, but didn't really focus on anyone in particular and didn't quite have the same level of direction that previous episodes have had.


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- The shit has hit the fan. I said earlier how Ken exists purely as a human plot device, and I think this episode was the best example of that. He's the one who hears of the mess, but we get only the slightest glimpse of his personal life.

- I thought that Roger was at his lowest in the last episode, but I was wrong. Here we see Roger at his most cowardly and pathetic. Watching him pretend to have a conversation with Lee Garner Jr. was embarrassing to watch. Even worse, we see him sitting in a hotel, pretending to be in another city and avoiding the down town core so as not to bump into anyone. He calls Joan, but even then he sounds like a kid crying for his mother. And the final insult, Joan rejects his advances, and so he must put on his fedora and mope into the night. So where does that leave Roger? He's lost his biggest client, he's in a loveless marriage, the woman he does love doesn't want him, and his business is going down the tubes. Could it be possible that he'll kill himself by the end of the season?

- Lane Pryce is hiding out in London. But according to next weeks preview he'll be back. I wouldn't have blamed him if he decided not to come back to the company.

- Pete's wife Trudy gives birth, presumably to the Antichrist. And it's a girl! Congratulations, Pete!



- There was also a boring subplot involving Peggy and that new guy she's seeing. Honestly, I think her arc peaked this season in the suitcase episode.

- One thing I didn't like about this episode were the music cues. Mad Men has always been subtle with its music cues (well, usually), but Roger's last scene had an air of melodrama to it.

- Is Don a cad? I think so. He can not be left alone with most women not named Peggy. Ladies love Big D. This is going to blow up in his face.

- Just when I think we've seen the last of Faye, there she is, seemingly in a relationship with Don. I wish the writers would end it. I wonder what the fan reaction is to the character? She just seems to be another woman for Don to break up with by seasons end.

- Going to a funeral, trying to get a potential client....yep, they're desperate.

I wonder how this storyline will resolve itself? There's only two episodes left. SCDP are going to need to land a big account just to stay above water. Also, what of the Sally storyline? I feel that needs to have more closure to it.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

I know the idea that Mad Men will end with Don jumping off the roof of a building has been around since the first episode, but could our opening credits silhouette be Roger? Either way, I doubt they'd do something like that until the end of the series.

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I don't mind being the smartest man in the world. I just wish it wasn't this one.

Last season was a slow burn. It seemed like not much was happening, until the last dramatic three episodes where the show was taken into high gear. I feel like this season has lost some steam. The only real major storyline left to deal with is what will eventually become of the company? Has the story given it's most dramatic story lines too early?



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- It's weird (and kind of funny) seeing Glen as some football jock. I still don't trust the kid. He did break into Sally's house after all. While he seems to be a genuine friend to Sally, he also strikes me as being a bit manipulative.

- Sally's psychiatrist seems to be one of the few genuinely decent people on the show. When Betty first started seeing her psychiatrist, he broke confidentiality and told Don all of her problems. Betty needs to see a professional, and sympathetic psychiatrist. Maybe it was because of the decor, but Betty looked like a little girl while sitting on that couch. Even stranger, Sally sounds more mature than she does. It's cool that the actress who plays Sally is giving some of her lines these little Betty like inflections.

- Don is visited by a ghost in Midge. Rosemarie Dewitt is an attractive woman, yet she plays Midge like someone whose a bit on edge. It's not noticeable at first, but there's a look of desperation even as she playfully banters with Don. When Don writes her the check and she asks "Don, what am I supposed to do with this?", it's such a sad and pathetic line. The check is useless to her, she probably doesn't even have a bank account. And she can't buy heroin with a check.

- "It's a doggy, dog, world". Actually, no Danny, that's not quit it. But I'm with Peggy, he was starting to grow on me.

- Don does his best Jerry Maguire impression and takes out a full page ad proclaiming SCDP are done with selling tobacco. A seemingly dumb move, but it gets people talking about the company, and I think it's not shortly after this time period that tobacco companies were having to endure heavier restrictions on how they marketed their products.

- Cooper quits, but I'm not buying it. He's too important a character to just write off the show like that.

- I wish the show would make up its mind about the whole Don/Megan/Faye storyline. We need to see a winner in the finale. These two character aren't interesting to have on this show on their own.

- Mercifully, the Robert Kennedy phone call was just a prank. I was afraid that the show had just jumped the shark and used a very bad voice actor to do RFK, and the idea that RFK would call Don personally would be just too ridiculous. I would have to stop watching the show if that happened.

Last season ended on the high excitement of Don and gang leaving Sterling/Cooper to form a new company. The season before that ended with the uncertainty of Don and Betty's future as parents to an unborn baby, and the threat of nuclear war in the Cuban Missile Crisis. How will this season end? One episode to go!

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

Great episode, hopefully the next season will somehow be "Anti-Lucky Strike", it certainly was a risky move from Don, but it can surely bring new opportunities.

And WHAT THE FUCK did Lane really said to Peter ?! Did he mean that Don was more expendable than the other partners ?!



I know that January Jones is a beautiful woman, but for god's sake kid, let go



That part was really sad, first you go into "Hey Midge ! How are you ?" as soon as you see her, only to be crying to the pillow later over how she is being sold by her husband, apart from being addicted to heroine.



Hopefully the partners at SCDP will be able to call in some favors with this little public endeavor of they have to do.



We barely even see Cooper now, in season 4, and even in 3 he was fighting for the title of "Most Absent Mad Men Character" with Betty, obviously Cooper won.



Did the Kennedys really sound like that ?! or was that just a really racist prank call ?

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I'm not sure, I don't remember what Lane said. Maybe he was just stroking Pete's ego?



Not really. At least, not judging by this clip of RFK:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPYNb4ex6Ko

People tend to exaggerate their accents, which in this scene, I guess was the point.

By the way, did it take you a while to find the show online? You didn't post last week. I've been lucky as I get the show on demand, so I can watch an episode later if for some reason I miss it.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

Not really, I just forgot to post, college has been drowning me and looking for a job is not helping either, today I got a little break and decided to post.

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Well, the season is over, and we'll have to wait until next year for more Mad Men. I thought this was a pretty strong season, but I think it peaked too early with the briefcase episode. We've seen Don reveal his true identity to Betty, be a father for the third time, get divorced and start a new company. I feel as the years go on, it will be harder to come up with big storylines. Overall, as much as I liked this season I think it ran out of steam and ended on what was a good, if unremarkable, episode.


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- Is it me, or does Jon Hamm look like he probably needs to shave at least twice a day? He has such think stubble. Faye wakes him up, and he tells her he'll miss her. Later, being the trouper that he is, he shows her how he'll adjust to missing her by proposing to another woman.

- I just realized we didn't see Cooper in this episode. So he really did quit. I know he was sort of a minor character but his exit wasn't as dramatic as it should have been.

- When did Harry become such a creepy perv? He's always been a shmuck, but lately he's proved himself to be no better than the guys were in season 1. I think his position has gone to his head.

- In contrast, Ken seems like a very upright guy. He firmly tells Don and co that he won't jeopardize the relationship with his father in law, saying his home life is his actual life. He's able to divorce himself from his job in a way that Don is unable (unwilling?) to do. Is Don envious in that scene? Or so surprised that he's never been able to do what Ken does with his own home life?

- Glen says goodbye to Betty. I know I've always thought the kid was a bit of a creep, but compared to Betty he seems wise. He rightly tells Betty off. Which leads us to.....

- Betty is a colossal BITCH! Nothing more needs to be said

- Don visits Anna's annoying niece. That girl bugs me. She always looks like she's on the verge of laughing. I was surprised that Don told Sally he was the "dick" that was written on the wall. Will he tell her the whole truth?

- I think the moment Don realizes Megan is the one is when Sally (or "Thally" if you prefer) spills the milkshake. Betty would have freaked, but Megan just brushes it off like it's no big deal. Later, when trying to work out who will go on what rides, Sally expresses the concern that Megan wouldn't be able to go on the ride if she has to watch Gene

- I kind of wished Megan had told Don they shouldn't hook up while Sally and Bobby are alone in the other room. It's kind of skeezy, and I was expecting Sally to wake up and realize her dad was no longer in the room with them

- Don proposing was a genuine surprise, even though the episode telegraphed it earlier by Don getting the ring. I was hoping Megan was going to say no. There's something too out there for Don to be proposing to a woman he barely knows. It's the thing Roger would (and did) do.

- It was nice to see Peggy and Joan sitting around, smoking and cracking wise. Besides being the rare bonding moment, they seem like the only two who really knows how it goes down in the office.

- So Joan is going to have Roger's baby, but pass it off as Greg's. I think if anything this season has given us some drama to work with for next season.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

A fairly good episode, can't say it's dissapointing, but the steam did ran out a few episodes ago, still, like t3cii said, we've been left with TONS of drama for the next season ! Game on I say !



Perhaps, but Cooper became so useless as a character that he didn't even merited a dramatic exit.



Nothing new to me, all that was missing was Paul Kinsey by the side.



Ken kinda surprised everyone with that comment, if he hadn't got the account with Peggy then his head could've gone to the chopping block.



Motörhead should make a song called "Betty, Bitch Among Bitches".

She really outpassed herself on this one !



I liked this scene, it reminds me of the moment from season 1 when Don threw Bobby's toy against the wall out of frustration for Betty's annoyance, as I've always said, Betty's always been better partner than mother.



I didn't realize until that scene how long we've been without "Joan VS Peggy" moments



I was watching that scene, and all along I was thinking:

Boom..........Boom...........BOOM !!!

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So I started watching this series... it's really good, but I don't think Hamm would be a good Superman... The Homelander though...

I really like how Don is portrayed as kind of a scummy guy, but you can't help but like him. He's like a watered down Tony Soprano (I just mean that he doesn't kill people 'm not saying he's a bad character)

Also I really like the whole look of the show, for some reason I really like 60s archetecture and decor so this show makes me happy in that aspect.

All in all I'm looking forward to getting all caught up

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Cool. One more member has joined the cult of Mad Men.

I didn't actively start watching the show until the second season. I had watched a few episodes, but had dismissed it as being style over substance. Lots of people dressed to the nines, drinking, smoking, looking cool. I also was initially concerned that the series would focus too much on being a dark mirror to the time period, which I think was true in the first two seasons. One episode I remember has Don and the family having a picnic in a park. As they leave, Don chugs his beer can footballl tosses it away, and they leave behind all their litter. There were quite a few scenes that seemed to be too much of a "weren't the 60's kind of a messed up time?". Luckily, the show gets better each season, although it's almost always a slow burn.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

Welcome to the Mad Men cult !

It's great that you're watching this show, you won't be dissapointed !



*Holds his urges to kill*



Ever since AMC got into the "Big League" with Breaking Bad, Mad Men and The Walking Dead, you can clearly see a trend with their shows, regardless of the topic dealt with or the actors, there's always one constant:

No character is either good or bad.

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I actually like that because in real life most people have both good and bad qualities.

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i think most people like that kind of show, and it is becoming increasingly trendy to have grey characters, pretty soon (a couple of years) i think it's going to change and black and white heroes and nemeses will be coming back.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

Quality character development in "realistic" stories has always revolved around having morally grey characters because, as was just said, real people do good and bad things. It was only in the last decade or so that "unrealistic" stories like superhero films started using morally grey characters and themes as well, like The Dark Knight and that one movie with the blue guy and the inkblot mask person.

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I don't mind being the smartest man in the world. I just wish it wasn't this one.

This trend started waaay before the likes of The Dark Knight and Watchmen.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

In movies and TV ? or in comics ?

If it was the latter, then pretty much the last 30 years have all been about deconstructing the shit out of everyone !

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This.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... I can't think of any inmediate examples, but I wouldn't also say that the trend is new.

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Now what to make of that poster....

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."