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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:07 am 
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My review.

Basically, I think this film suffers because it was trying to cram way too much story and too many characters into too little screen time (which was also a key problem of X3 and Wolverine, come to think of it).

Still, there's a lot of ambition here and a lot of chances taken, and I respect that. It also helps that the score was wonderful, the action scenes were very inventive and we get some powerhouse performances from McAvoy and Fassbender.

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 Post subject: Re: X-Men : First Class
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Aye. Though I didn't recognise her straight away and thought she had turned into Emma Frost.


what a cool idea for a cameo.

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 Post subject: Re: X-Men : First Class
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I haven't seen the movie yet, and likely won't see it until July, but I wanted to comment on the cast's wardrobe. I hadn't really thought about this until someone brought it up in a review I read, but the wardrobe looks off by a few years.

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The movie is set in 1962, but the cast all look like their dressed in clothes from the later part of the decade. I know it's a nit pick, but you would think if they wanted to get the look right for the decade they would have been more accurate.

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 Post subject: Re: X-Men : First Class
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I haven't seen the movie yet, and likely won't see it until July, but I wanted to comment on the cast's wardrobe. I hadn't really thought about this until someone brought it up in a review I read, but the wardrobe looks off by a few years.

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The movie is set in 1962, but the cast all look like their dressed in clothes from the later part of the decade. I know it's a nit pick, but you would think if they wanted to get the look right for the decade they would have been more accurate.


I wasn't alive in 1962 so I have no idea whether this is true or not, but the clothes look fine to me.

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 Post subject: Re: X-Men : First Class
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I wasn't alive in 1962 so I have no idea whether this is true or not, but the clothes look fine to me.


Well neither was I, but I have seen enough photos/footage of styles from that era to know the clothes don't look quite right. Not just the clothes, but the hair as well.

The guy standing behind Fassbender has hair that's way too long. I don't think guys wore their hair that long in 1962. Keep in mind the British Invasion would happen the following year, and even then, I don't think guys were wearing their hair that long as the guy is in that pic. Same with Kevin Bacon. If I didn't know anything about the time period I would assume it was set in 1967 or 68.

The styling for the women is a bit all over the place. Jennifer Lawrence looks like she was taken from this decade, and plopped into the film:

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It looks like it was 60's inspired, yet inspired by the late 60's. It just seems as if they were attempting a "swinging 60's" look without really knowing exactly when the swinging 60's took place. Just going by most examples from the early 60's, women weren't wearing skirts that short, and they didn't tend to have ironed hair (such as Rose Byrne's) until the late 60's. They dressed more conservatively because the times were more conservative. Even January Jones looks like Barbarella, which would be fine had Barbarella not existed six years after this movie is set. Other photos I've seen of her make her look like a Victoria's Secret model. Some of these outfits look too modern.

It might seem like a small thing to nitpick, but it just seems like they wanted to make the characters look more palatable. Presumably Jennifer Lawrence in a mini skirt was preferable to Jennifer Lawrence in a beehive hairdo and long dress down to her shins. You could take that group shot of the X-Men and pass it off for today. Which makes it just a bit half assed.

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 Post subject: Re: X-Men : First Class
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t3cii wrote:
Smutty wrote:
I wasn't alive in 1962 so I have no idea whether this is true or not, but the clothes look fine to me.


Well neither was I, but I have seen enough photos/footage of styles from that era to know the clothes don't look quite right. Not just the clothes, but the hair as well.

The guy standing behind Fassbender has hair that's way too long. I don't think guys wore their hair that long in 1962. Keep in mind the British Invasion would happen the following year, and even then, I don't think guys were wearing their hair that long as the guy is in that pic.

If they changed the hair then fans would have had a hissy fit though.
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Even January Jones looks like Barbarella, which would be fine had Barbarella not existed six years after this movie is set. Other photos I've seen of her make her look like a Victoria's Secret model. Some of these outfits look too modern.


Again, they need to make the character recognisable.
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Anyway, in the film she is somewhat a bordello mistress at the hellfire club, so that kind of attire fits well.

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Saw this last night. Thought it was rather good.

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Saw it tonight, pretty cool stuff.

I liked Azazel's character arc.

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t3cii wrote:
Smutty wrote:
I wasn't alive in 1962 so I have no idea whether this is true or not, but the clothes look fine to me.


Well neither was I, but I have seen enough photos/footage of styles from that era to know the clothes don't look quite right. Not just the clothes, but the hair as well.

The guy standing behind Fassbender has hair that's way too long. I don't think guys wore their hair that long in 1962. Keep in mind the British Invasion would happen the following year, and even then, I don't think guys were wearing their hair that long as the guy is in that pic. Same with Kevin Bacon. If I didn't know anything about the time period I would assume it was set in 1967 or 68.

The styling for the women is a bit all over the place. Jennifer Lawrence looks like she was taken from this decade, and plopped into the film:

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It looks like it was 60's inspired, yet inspired by the late 60's. It just seems as if they were attempting a "swinging 60's" look without really knowing exactly when the swinging 60's took place. Just going by most examples from the early 60's, women weren't wearing skirts that short, and they didn't tend to have ironed hair (such as Rose Byrne's) until the late 60's. They dressed more conservatively because the times were more conservative. Even January Jones looks like Barbarella, which would be fine had Barbarella not existed six years after this movie is set. Other photos I've seen of her make her look like a Victoria's Secret model. Some of these outfits look too modern.

It might seem like a small thing to nitpick, but it just seems like they wanted to make the characters look more palatable. Presumably Jennifer Lawrence in a mini skirt was preferable to Jennifer Lawrence in a beehive hairdo and long dress down to her shins. You could take that group shot of the X-Men and pass it off for today. Which makes it just a bit half assed.



I somewhat understand where you're coming from... but I'm also not going to pretend to know more than their entire art/costume department.

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but I'm also not going to pretend to know more than their entire art/costume department.


Is that what I'm doing?

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saw it last night, liked it, but i think it needs a sequel. i don't thinnk it's good enough to stand alone without one because it was obviously made with sequels in mind, which is fine, if it has enough stuff to make it stand on it's own, but this didn't really :|

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t3cii wrote:
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but I'm also not going to pretend to know more than their entire art/costume department.


Is that what I'm doing?


you said it not me.
I'm just saying that whatever vague knowledge I can conjure up about early 1960s fashion obviously pales in comparison to that of whatever collective team was professionally hired to know.

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t3cii wrote:
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but I'm also not going to pretend to know more than their entire art/costume department.


Is that what I'm doing?


you said it not me.
I'm just saying that whatever vague knowledge I can conjure up about early 1960s fashion obviously pales in comparison to that of whatever collective team was professionally hired to know.

He didn't imply that he knew more than the costume department, he said that they may have purposely used clothing from a slightly later era for aesthetic value.

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 Post subject: Re: X-Men : First Class
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He didn't imply that he knew more than the costume department, he said that they may have purposely used clothing from a slightly later era for aesthetic value.


This, thank you. Obviously the art/production crew have more experience than I do, but I still have eyes, don't I? And thanks to google I have access to thousands of photos and videos from that era to back me up. It's not like I'm making this shit up.

Looking for examples of woman's wear from 1962, I get examples like this:

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Wardrobe is something a show like Mad Men does very well. Even with attractive actresses (including X-Men's January Jones) they still put them in what today would look like unflattering clothing:

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And it's true of the men as well. You're not going to see guys with long hair and sideburns if you search for early examples. Men and women took their fashion cues from celebrities, athletes, etc. Notice how today very few men wears fedoras? Well JFK is often attributed with being the first public male figure to not wear a fedora, and soon men stopped wearing them. Women would copy Jackie O's hairstyles, then the women's movement started, and Joan Baez and hippies, and all of that affected fashion. If you want to find examples that are closer to what the women and men in this movie are wearing, you have to look to later years from the decade. This goes back to Goziller's comment about ascetics. They want the story to be set in 1962, but they (Fox) don't want to use that out of style ascetic, so they opt for more of a Mod Squad, swinging 60's version, which they probably think looks more appealing. They want Jennifer Lawrence and Rose Byrne looking sexy and showing off their legs. It doesn't compromise the script, although in 1962, these characters would be considered sluts for showing that much leg (seriously!), and the guys would be mocked for having such long hair. Considering Mystique (I presume) is trying to pass herself off as normal, dressing out of the norm for the time probably isn't the best way to do it.

I just know that when the DVD comes out there will be one of those bullshit little extras, where the costume designer will talk about how painstaking it was to stay true to the era and make sure everything looks authentic. Which would be a joke.

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just seen it really great movie 9/10

that Argentina bar scene was quite epic proved less is more when it comes to certain action scenes


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just seen it really great movie 9/10

that Argentina bar scene was quite epic proved less is more when it comes to certain action scenes



i thibnk the movie, up until Erik joins the team is great, every scene is brilliant, after the scene where Erik and charles first meet it kind of goes a little downhill, and then after they've done all the recruiting it goes downhill again, not really finding it's feet again until the final act.
if the movie had stayed as good as that first act, yeah it would have been a 9, but it didn't,

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Project862006 wrote:
just seen it really great movie 9/10

that Argentina bar scene was quite epic proved less is more when it comes to certain action scenes


That reminds me...

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This is Villa Gesell

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And this is Bariloche

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One is in the coast, and the other is in the south, near Chile. Yes, there were Nazis in both of them (a few years ago, the police found one of the members of the SS searched by the Interpol in Gesell). But, as you can see, they are not the same. A quick google images search would have fixed that without making you looking like a couple of retards.

Learn the difference. It can save your life (if you come to our country, that is).

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