Satan's Slut wrote:
Satan's Slut wrote:
Satan's Slut wrote:
I'd suggest it was pretty much disliked by most people regardless of their involvement with the GN, as you'll see...
I'll be honest - I can't find many 'Best Superhero Films' lists that include Watchmen. If we're sourcing critical and fan opinion, you really can't do much better than this:http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... s/?a=39833
That's not 'Top Ten of the Decade' either - that's 'Of All Time'...
Then we have Metacritic's chart which includes the Top and Worst Ten of all time, based on aggregated critical scores:http://www.metacritic.com/feature/best- ... ook-movies
'Watchmen' doesn't feature in either, which reinforces the general feeling of 'Meh', that - in my experience - surrounds this film.
I think listing the metecritic thing as proof for "meh" is misplaced, if anything it just as easily backs up the "some loved it, some hated it" theory.
If you look here http://www.metacritic.com/movie/watchmen
you can see it got 19 positive reviews out of 39, 5 of which were 100%, and 3 right at the bottom with 20%,
My comment was simply based on the Best/Worst list results; that fact that it appears on neither list - it's not one of the best, and not one of the worst - reinforces the general indifference that seems to surround this film, in my experience.
and my comment was simply pointing out that the lists are based only on average metacritic scores, not peronal opinion, and the average of lots of high scores and lots of low scores is a medium score, which doesn't mean it was generally thought of as "Meh"
this is amazon ratings for watchmen and x-men the last stand, both have an average score of 3.5 stars, now you can see the difference in rating pattern
not to mention the fact that Watchmen from 2009 has almost twice as many reviews than a movie from 2006, which goes to show how good it is at provoking a reaction, whereas XM3TLS is a meh movie which noone really cared to give a review to, even though i'd hazard a guess that more people have seen XM3 than Watchmen.
So if we ignore the ratings pattern, and look at the overall aggregated score, 'Watchmen' is at least as good as X-Men 3 (another film that generally doesn't feature in best/worst lists). You're trying to show that the general consensus of opinion regarding Watchmen isn't 'Meh', by showing that it scores the same as another film that is considered 'Meh', at best?
The amount of reviews does not necessarily mean Watchmen was good at provoking a reaction in a positive way either; the fact that only 109 people were moved to write a review of the DVD is pretty telling.
Staying with using quantity of Amazon reviews as a yardstick then, let's look at it like this:
Worst Comic Book Film Ever (in general): Batman and Robin - 63 reviews of the DVD.
Best Comic Book Film Ever (in general): The Dark Knight - 314 DVD reviews.
Watchmen - 109 reviews.
Based on number of people on Amazon who could be bothered to write reviews, it's not good, nor is it bad - it appears to be.... (wait for it)....
if we're using the DVD instead of Blu Ray, Watchmen actually has 139 reviews, but that's not a huge difference, (interestingly TDK only has 178 reviews on BD, perhaps because 2009 was the year that bluray really started taking off)
but i might say TDK is an unfair comparison since it was abnormally popular, so it has 3 times as many Amaxon UK reviews, i'd say more than three times as many people have seen TDK than Watchmen, and it made a lot more than 3 times as much at the box office,
i'm thinking, perhaps we just have different definitions of "Meh",
and in response you your last post, this is exactly what i am arguing FOR! that people are passionate (either positive or negative) about watchmen, which mean's it's nopt "Meh", because "meh" implies a lack of passion,
Watchmen also only got 8 3* reviews, wheras XM3 got 18 (with only half as many total reviews)