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I'm not 'merican... but would all agree that, left or right leanings aside, peoples right to peaceful protest has become the main issue? that's 1st amendment stuff, isn't it? If it's gotten to the point where kids having a peaceful sit-down protest ON A CAMPUS can be maced in the face, then the system sure aint working. It looks to the world outside like totalitarian police state type carrying's on. Needs some fixing up, huh.

An acceptable response might be 'You non-'mericans shut up, aint none yo business!'... if the USA wasn't self-righteously meddling in a fistful of other country's stuff on exactly those grounds.

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...evidently chicken-town.

By this point I should just accept that I can't have a discussion with you that won't just turn into you saying I'm not making an argument... despite the fact that you don't make arguments you just say I'm wrong.



I'll e honest t3cii... I don't get what you were trying to say with that picture

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@RealSlimCAvery

As a 'merican, I approve this post as one that doesn't suck.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

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Learn to read friend, the actual significance of my posts is still waiting for you back there.



Very true sir, though I think the discussion has moved by now into the realms of "effectiveness".

Is what OWS doing working ? Will they actually succeed ? Or is this just a simple exercise in self-indulgence ?

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Wow... you said I missed the point instead of explaining the point you were trying to make... you neeeeeeeeevvvvvveeeeeerrr do that

For once, humor me and just explain your actual point instead of just saying I missed it

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@RealSlimCAvery

I thought their expressions said enough, but I guess not. Basically I thought Smutty's robot comment was a bit lame.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

I will humour you good sir, if only to prove how you can't be bothered to look back and read more carefully.

My point in this matter is that it has become increasingly difficult to discuss with you on matters related to american politics because you can't avoid either:

A) Defend your viewpoint regardless of what others might say.

B) Attack liberals or those who disagree with conservative views.

C) Quote selective, misinterpreted examples as "proof" that conservatives "are being attacked", even when these examples perfectly apply to your side of the equation as well, yet you choose to blatantly ignore them in favor of supporting your own views and opinions.

I don't hate conservatives Brooklyn, and I am not of left-center, regardless of how much you want to blind-side my comments and say "You hate conservatives and you are left-center", but you are way too biased to be taken seriously any time a topic like this comes up.

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Oh okay, that's kind of what I thought, but I wasn't sure



If it were coming from somebody like t3cii I might take this more seriously, but coming from you it's ironic. You too are quite biased (see what I did there, I admit I have my biases... I call them my opinions). I will admit I have strong opinions and I stick with them... but come on feli, you are as bullheaded as I am.

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@RealSlimCAvery

Go ahead and prove it then.

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He was arguing against my choice of words rather than arguing against my point.
Who else besides robots does that?

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

Your point was that Murdock owns most media, correct? I was pointing out that he doesn't own most media by citing examples of left leaning media... I don't see how that wasn't addressing your point?

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@RealSlimCAvery

Playing Devil's Advocate, it seems like a good portion of the debate is in defining exactly what "peaceful protest" is. If protest involves several thousands of dollars in park damages, for example, is that peaceful? Suppose protesters form a barrier by linking arms, is that peaceful?

Personally, I think that a huge problem with OWS is that it doesn't have anything that remotely resembles coordination or leadership. I know they like to be proud of that, but this movement is going to need a general for strategizing and a figurehead for diplomacy if they're really going to get anywhere.

By contrast, the Tea Party can simply look to conservative pundits and Fox News for directions. It's leadership without accountability, granted, but it's leadership all the same.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

I had the pleasure of accidently going to an Occupy El Paso meting about a week ago, and what you'd see there are people of all ages, different walks of life, some with jobs, others without them trying to help out their community by doing social service and the like.

However, listening to them and reading their facebook page has lead me to believe that one of the problems with the movement has been its autocontradiction. On one hand, they want people to have jobs and for the economy to improve, on the other, they oppose capitalism and basically the system, which IS the economy. I don't think you can really have one without the other.

They have my support because I think it's about time that people stop being passive and begin to take action for a lot of things that are wrong with the world. Yet, I don't think that they can have their cake and eat it too.

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Maybe they have made the mistake of equating capitalism with greed.

Even though these days, it's a pretty damn understandable comparison.

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That's because it was started by a Canadian anti-consumerism group, Adbusters. If the stupid people in OWS realized that, then OWS wouldn't be the way it is.

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And here's me thinking that it was inspired by the protests in Spain and the like.

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Alan Moore on OWS

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

See that Frank Miller ? Do you see how rational, thoughtful human beings do it ?

May the gods of awesome bless Alan Moore !

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Nice Alan Moore piece! The madcap laughs...

I think it's pretty clear that OWC want some good things, they just need to clarify and sanity-ise 'em. A simple version might be:

-Disconnect investment banks from merchant banks (ie undo that bad, bad bill that happened in the Carter years), so that investment bankers can't gamble with people's personal funds or property.
-Make it illegal for those in congress or political parties to push through bills that directly favour their personal private business (ie. Cheny, Rumsfeld and Bush going to war in Iraq when they have 'interests' in - are the bosses of - the biggest arms manufacturing companies in the western world).

The same bad shit has happened globally. In NZ, the National Party has just been re-elected. the prime minister is an evil little shit who is an extremely succesful investment banker, he helped engineer the whole sub-prime scam with Merril Lynch, where his jolly workaday nickname was 'the smiling assassin'...
His plan for New Zealand is to make it a tax-free money sump for big business, just like he did in ireland. They come in and rape the economy, then get out before it crashes n' burns.

Oh, and also mining the crap out of our national parks. If i move back to NZ, it will be as a different kind of assassin.

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BUT THE PROFIT !!! THE RIGHTS OF THE REAL PRODUCERS OF THE WOOOOORRRRRRRLLLLLLLD !!!



Sometimes humanity's greatest flaw is poor, poor memory.

Wish we were like the Drell !

*Hopes someone gets the reference*

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