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Would... having Patrick Wilson play Batman be ironic?
Cause I look at him and see Keaton-ish potential for Wayne.


Could never happen.


Why not? I don't think he's be a very good Wayne or Batman, but I don't see why he couldn't be.


Because 1), he's an average actor, and 2) he's a C list actor. Whoever ends up playing the next Batman will either be a rising star, or an unknown.

Dude, he's starred in seven films in the two and a half years since Watchmen (Barry Munday, The A-Team, The Switch, Insidious, Morning Glory, The Ledge, and Young Adult).

Two of those films (The A-Team and Insidious) were big-budgeted movies with very wide releases, and one of them (Young Adult) is being positioned as a serious Oscar contender. And that isn't even counting his leading role in a prime-time network TV show ("A Gifted Man") or his credit in a little upcoming film called "Prometheus."

If this isn't the CV of a "rising star," I don't know what is.

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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But.....WHY ? I'm not seeing any reason for what you're saying.


Because, I'm starting to think, you don't undserstand reason. Just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be a good batman. Meryl Streep is a good actress but would you want her playing Catwoman?

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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Because, I'm starting to think, you don't undserstand reason. Just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be a good batman. Meryl Streep is a good actress but would you want her playing Catwoman?


NOW you're just being an inmature dick, I was simply asking why, I wasn't insulting you.

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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Would... having Patrick Wilson play Batman be ironic?
Cause I look at him and see Keaton-ish potential for Wayne.


Could never happen.


Why not? I don't think he's be a very good Wayne or Batman, but I don't see why he couldn't be.


Because 1), he's an average actor, and 2) he's a C list actor. Whoever ends up playing the next Batman will either be a rising star, or an unknown.

Dude, he's starred in seven films in the two and a half years since Watchmen (Barry Munday, The A-Team, The Switch, Insidious, Morning Glory, The Ledge, and Young Adult).

Two of those films (The A-Team and Insidious) were big-budgeted movies with very wide releases, and one of them (Young Adult) is being positioned as a serious Oscar contender. And that isn't even counting his leading role in a prime-time network TV show ("A Gifted Man") or his credit in a little upcoming film called "Prometheus."

If this isn't the CV of a "rising star," I don't know what is.


Sorry. This guy still isn't a star yet. When he becomes more of a household name, maybe. But if you were to ask a random person on the street who he is they'd probably give you a blank look.

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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But.....WHY ? I'm not seeing any reason for what you're saying.


Because, I'm starting to think, you don't undserstand reason. Just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be a good batman. Meryl Streep is a good actress but would you want her playing Catwoman?


"The reason that Jon Hamm would not be a good Batman is because Feliciano doesn't understand reason."
Brooklyn, do actually understand what discussions, questions, and answers are, or do you like to just argue and be snarky (and make little sense) just for the sake of it?

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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Also... JEH as the Joker? think about it


Thought about it. No.

Why not?

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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Brooklyn, do actually understand what discussions, questions, and answers are, or do you like to just argue and be snarky (and make little sense) just for the sake of it?


I was saying that I won't try reasoning with him because he wouldn't get it. I should have quoted it to look like this

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I'm not seeing any reason for what you're saying.


Because, I'm starting to think, you don't undserstand reason. Just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be a good batman. Meryl Streep is a good actress but would you want her playing Catwoman?


There, better?

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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I'm not seeing any reason for what you're saying.


Because, I'm starting to think, you don't undserstand reason. Just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be a good batman. Meryl Streep is a good actress but would you want her playing Catwoman?


There, better?


Nope, you still sound like an inmature dick :D !

Also, I'm still not seeing ANY reason to your argument.

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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Nope, you still sound like an inmature dick :D !

Also, I'm still not seeing ANY reason to your argument.


Because you are blinded by bias. Just because he looks the part doesn't mean he'd be good (consider all the people who thought Triple-H should have played Thor, sure he looks the part but he wouldn't have been good) and just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be good in a part, you can't just wedge actors into roles and expect them to be good. JEH is a great actor, could you see him playing a good Iron Man, though? How about Clint Eastwood as Superman? (fun fact: almost happened) How about Daniel Craig as The Comedian? Steve Buscemi as Dr. Manhattan? All the people I listed are good actors, but they would all be terrible as those roles... I hope you can see that.

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Nope, you still sound like an inmature dick :D !

Also, I'm still not seeing ANY reason to your argument.


Because you are blinded by bias. Just because he looks the part doesn't mean he'd be good (consider all the people who thought Triple-H should have played Thor, sure he looks the part but he wouldn't have been good) and just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be good in a part, you can't just wedge actors into roles and expect them to be good. JEH is a great actor, could you see him playing a good Iron Man, though? How about Clint Eastwood as Superman? (fun fact: almost happened) How about Daniel Craig as The Comedian? Steve Buscemi as Dr. Manhattan? All the people I listed are good actors, but they would all be terrible as those roles... I hope you can see that.

I'm so confused.

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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Nope, you still sound like an inmature dick :D !

Also, I'm still not seeing ANY reason to your argument.


Because you are blinded by bias. Just because he looks the part doesn't mean he'd be good (consider all the people who thought Triple-H should have played Thor, sure he looks the part but he wouldn't have been good) and just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be good in a part, you can't just wedge actors into roles and expect them to be good. JEH is a great actor, could you see him playing a good Iron Man, though? How about Clint Eastwood as Superman? (fun fact: almost happened) How about Daniel Craig as The Comedian? Steve Buscemi as Dr. Manhattan? All the people I listed are good actors, but they would all be terrible as those roles... I hope you can see that.

I'm so confused.


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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
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Nope, you still sound like an inmature dick :D !

Also, I'm still not seeing ANY reason to your argument.


Because you are blinded by bias. Just because he looks the part doesn't mean he'd be good (consider all the people who thought Triple-H should have played Thor, sure he looks the part but he wouldn't have been good) and just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be good in a part, you can't just wedge actors into roles and expect them to be good. JEH is a great actor, could you see him playing a good Iron Man, though? How about Clint Eastwood as Superman? (fun fact: almost happened) How about Daniel Craig as The Comedian? Steve Buscemi as Dr. Manhattan? All the people I listed are good actors, but they would all be terrible as those roles... I hope you can see that.


You open this post by saying that him looking the part doesn't mean he'd be good for the role, and that just because he's a good actor doesn't mean he'd be good for the role. I read this and went, "hmmm, okay, where is he going with this."
You then used several examples to prove your point, but, none of your examples look anything like the characters you put with them, so it's almost like you forgot what you said about looking the part and decided to only put examples of good actors and not good likenesses. None of you examples would work because they aren't good likenesses, however Hamm IS.
I'm not even one of the people who would love Hamm to be Batman, I just have no idea how you can actually think that what you're saying makes sense as an anti-hamm argument.

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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i think hamm can do it he was as smooth as it can be in sucker punch :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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I just have no idea how you can actually think that what you're saying makes sense as an anti-hamm argument.


Well, seeing as how batman has been played by all these guys

Adam West

Michael Keaton

Val Kilmer

George Clooney

Christian Bale

What exactly IS the look that Batman has?

How hard is it to grasp that I don't think he would be good in the part? Honestly From what I've seen of Hamm I just don't think he'd be a good Batman. Apparently that means I need to be chased from the village and stoned...

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 Post subject: Re: Batman 3 News
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Dr. Brooklyn wrote:
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I just have no idea how you can actually think that what you're saying makes sense as an anti-hamm argument.


Well, seeing as how batman has been played by all these guys

Adam West

Michael Keaton

Val Kilmer

George Clooney

Christian Bale

What exactly IS the look that Batman has?

How hard is it to grasp that I don't think he would be good in the part? Honestly?


Brooklyn, it's not hard to grasp, it's just that the reasons and points that you're putting across are petty and all over the place. The fact that you think that the problem is that we can't grasp that you don't think he'd be good in the part just goes to show that you really don't know what's going on here.

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Honestly, I think Jon Hamm would look more like Bruce Wayne than any other actor who's played him so far.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... ne_024.jpg

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I could easily see Hamm as an older Wayne/Batman.

Great actor and "looks the part". Does it matter if we haven't seen a performance from him that fits every criteria of the character of Batman? No, because that's what fucking acting is. Tell me with a straight face that when the cast was announced for Watchmen you thought "I always thought Billy Crudup would be Manhattan!"

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I'm trying really hard to explain to you guys that you can't just say "Hey he looks the part put him in the cape" and that has proved similar results to walking into a church and knocking over the crucifix.

What do I have to say? How do I express the ideas that a good actor who looks the part doesn't automatically equal a successful outing beyond simply saying it (as I've been saying consistently... which is somehow all over the place)?

Let me try one more time to put it in terms you'll hopefully understand: Based on what I've seen of Hamm, I dfon't feel he'd be a good Batman. It's hard to explain, but I just don't see him as a good Batman, I think he could handle Bruce Wayne, but he needs to play more than just that. I get that yes he's a muscular guy with black hair and a strong chin... but that doesn't mean he'd be perfect for the cowl. There is a dichotomy to the role of Batman that few people manage... Bruce Wayne and Batman are two sides of the same coin, they may be in the same body but they are two different personas and must be played differently... and it's the identity that prowls the shadows that I think would trip up Hamm, where as I believe he could be great as the identity that prowls the ballrooms of Gotham's finest clubs.

People, when fan casting, generally just take good actors and force them in roles based on looks... but there is a lot more to being good for a role than looking the part. Like when casting for the original Superman movie came around, Clint Eastwood was high in the running to be casted because of his popularity his having black hair and a muscular build... but does anybody seriously think Eastwood would have been a good Superman? He was also almost cast as James Bond... again... really? I won't deny Eastwood being a good actor, or that he's perfect for some roles... but all actors have limitations, no matter how good they are. Speaking of James Bond, Cary Grant was also almost cast, and despite my being a Grant fan... he would have been a horrible Bond. Consider also all the men who turned down being Han Solo (amongst them Al Pacino). Yes, Harrison Ford and Al Pacino both have a "rogue" look about them, they are only two years apart in age, and, yes, they have some similar features... but does anyone regret that Ford went on to pilot the Falcon across the universe? No? Didn't think so. This example is one of the most damning to Hamm, because let's face it Pacino is one of the all time greats and even he has roles that he could have the look for... but just wouldn't be great in. Is this to say that I'm trashing Pacino? Far from it, his roles in movies like Serpico, Scarface, Godfather I and II, Dog Day Afternoon, and others have shown how he has range and is just an all around good actor.

Basically, my feelings are this: Hamm is a good actor and has a bright future... but that future shouldn't include a turn as the Caped Crusader.

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I'm trying really hard to explain to you guys that you can't just say "Hey he looks the part put him in the cape" and that has proved similar results to walking into a church and knocking over the crucifix.

What do I have to say? How do I express the ideas that a good actor who looks the part doesn't automatically equal a successful outing beyond simply saying it (as I've been saying consistently... which is somehow all over the place)?

Let me try one more time to put it in terms you'll hopefully understand: Based on what I've seen of Hamm, I dfon't feel he'd be a good Batman. It's hard to explain, but I just don't see him as a good Batman, I think he could handle Bruce Wayne, but he needs to play more than just that. I get that yes he's a muscular guy with black hair and a strong chin... but that doesn't mean he'd be perfect for the cowl. There is a dichotomy to the role of Batman that few people manage... Bruce Wayne and Batman are two sides of the same coin, they may be in the same body but they are two different personas and must be played differently... and it's the identity that prowls the shadows that I think would trip up Hamm, where as I believe he could be great as the identity that prowls the ballrooms of Gotham's finest clubs.

People, when fan casting, generally just take good actors and force them in roles based on looks... but there is a lot more to being good for a role than looking the part. Like when casting for the original Superman movie came around, Clint Eastwood was high in the running to be casted because of his popularity his having black hair and a muscular build... but does anybody seriously think Eastwood would have been a good Superman? He was also almost cast as James Bond... again... really? I won't deny Eastwood being a good actor, or that he's perfect for some roles... but all actors have limitations, no matter how good they are. Speaking of James Bond, Cary Grant was also almost cast, and despite my being a Grant fan... he would have been a horrible Bond. Consider also all the men who turned down being Han Solo (amongst them Al Pacino). Yes, Harrison Ford and Al Pacino both have a "rogue" look about them, they are only two years apart in age, and, yes, they have some similar features... but does anyone regret that Ford went on to pilot the Falcon across the universe? No? Didn't think so. This example is one of the most damning to Hamm, because let's face it Pacino is one of the all time greats and even he has roles that he could have the look for... but just wouldn't be great in. Is this to say that I'm trashing Pacino? Far from it, his roles in movies like Serpico, Scarface, Godfather I and II, Dog Day Afternoon, and others have shown how he has range and is just an all around good actor.

Basically, my feelings are this: Hamm is a good actor and has a bright future... but that future shouldn't include a turn as the Caped Crusader.

How could you possibly know if he'd be a good Batman or not, though? Because he's never played a superhero before?

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How could you possibly know if he'd be a good Batman or not, though? Because he's never played a superhero before?


I don't, just the same as how nobody knows he'd be good. I will concede I got Clint Eastwoods haird color wrong, but he was offered the part of bond, and even discussed it in an intervied from I believe last year.

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