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i only saw the remake once, but i kind of liked it.

saw Horrible bosses last night, thought it was pretty good.

also I can't remember if I said, but I saw Drive and I think it's totally overrated, I mentioned this on another forum and I'm getting a lot of flack for it, I can't work out why people love it so much, I can only assume that it's some kind of mob mentality, or I just have a completely different taste in movies to the entire geek community.
It's a very well shot and acted movie, but aside from a couple of scenes it just wasn't my thing, the opening scene was amazing and then it just became a kind of run of the mill crime movie with a bit of ultra violence thrown in. Gosling's character was kind of inconsistent too, I couldn't work out if he was supposed to be some slightly simple guy that's only really good at driving, or if he's just some normal guy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. maybe I should read the book, I hear there's a lot less ambiguity.

Its certainly not for everyone. I pushed a friend to see it and she didn't like it either.
But from my review of Drive...
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I found myself immersed in this movie, firstly by Ryan Gosling's terrific performance, and secondly by the way it flowed.
Lots of movies let scenes run on too long and that extra time is filled with dumb predictable dialog; Drive never loses control of its scenes nor does it let them slip into cliche either.
It does however place more emphasis on character and emotion than action and dialog.
I love that. Its a dramatic emotional piece first. An action/thriller movie is somewhere in here, but its a nescessity of the story.  Never the other way around.
  You can feel the emotions on display in this movie. The tension is palpable. The romantic sub plot is beautifully realized without the need for physical affirmation that dips into vulgarity.

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As it is, Drive may lack some aspects of what make exploitation movies such a blast, but its hard to not see the connection once its pointed out.  And some may call it slow and say it has pacing issues, but I beg to differ. Stuff is happening from the go. Its not always a car chase or a fight, but these characters are being developed, we're seeing who they are. Plot and story are being laid out and built up. And all the action movie tropes aside, theres a beautiful movie here.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:00 am 
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AvatarIII wrote:
i only saw the remake once, but i kind of liked it.

saw Horrible bosses last night, thought it was pretty good.

also I can't remember if I said, but I saw Drive and I think it's totally overrated, I mentioned this on another forum and I'm getting a lot of flack for it, I can't work out why people love it so much, I can only assume that it's some kind of mob mentality, or I just have a completely different taste in movies to the entire geek community.
It's a very well shot and acted movie, but aside from a couple of scenes it just wasn't my thing, the opening scene was amazing and then it just became a kind of run of the mill crime movie with a bit of ultra violence thrown in. Gosling's character was kind of inconsistent too, I couldn't work out if he was supposed to be some slightly simple guy that's only really good at driving, or if he's just some normal guy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. maybe I should read the book, I hear there's a lot less ambiguity.

Its certainly not for everyone. I pushed a friend to see it and she didn't like it either.
But from my review of Drive...
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I found myself immersed in this movie, firstly by Ryan Gosling's terrific performance, and secondly by the way it flowed.
Lots of movies let scenes run on too long and that extra time is filled with dumb predictable dialog; Drive never loses control of its scenes nor does it let them slip into cliche either.
It does however place more emphasis on character and emotion than action and dialog.
I love that. Its a dramatic emotional piece first. An action/thriller movie is somewhere in here, but its a nescessity of the story.  Never the other way around.
  You can feel the emotions on display in this movie. The tension is palpable. The romantic sub plot is beautifully realized without the need for physical affirmation that dips into vulgarity.

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As it is, Drive may lack some aspects of what make exploitation movies such a blast, but its hard to not see the connection once its pointed out.  And some may call it slow and say it has pacing issues, but I beg to differ. Stuff is happening from the go. Its not always a car chase or a fight, but these characters are being developed, we're seeing who they are. Plot and story are being laid out and built up. And all the action movie tropes aside, theres a beautiful movie here.


I'd agree with all that, but it's one thing to see that a piece of art is good, and it's another to like a piece of art.

I would say the romance subplot is my favourite thing about the movie, but you say the characters are constantly being developed, but I constantly felt that Gosling's character was inconsistent to the point I couldn't trust any of his development, is he this quiet guy that just loves to drive, or is he a maniac who'll stamp a head in?

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AvatarIII wrote:
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AvatarIII wrote:
i only saw the remake once, but i kind of liked it.

saw Horrible bosses last night, thought it was pretty good.

also I can't remember if I said, but I saw Drive and I think it's totally overrated, I mentioned this on another forum and I'm getting a lot of flack for it, I can't work out why people love it so much, I can only assume that it's some kind of mob mentality, or I just have a completely different taste in movies to the entire geek community.
It's a very well shot and acted movie, but aside from a couple of scenes it just wasn't my thing, the opening scene was amazing and then it just became a kind of run of the mill crime movie with a bit of ultra violence thrown in. Gosling's character was kind of inconsistent too, I couldn't work out if he was supposed to be some slightly simple guy that's only really good at driving, or if he's just some normal guy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. maybe I should read the book, I hear there's a lot less ambiguity.

Its certainly not for everyone. I pushed a friend to see it and she didn't like it either.
But from my review of Drive...
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I found myself immersed in this movie, firstly by Ryan Gosling's terrific performance, and secondly by the way it flowed.
Lots of movies let scenes run on too long and that extra time is filled with dumb predictable dialog; Drive never loses control of its scenes nor does it let them slip into cliche either.
It does however place more emphasis on character and emotion than action and dialog.
I love that. Its a dramatic emotional piece first. An action/thriller movie is somewhere in here, but its a nescessity of the story.  Never the other way around.
  You can feel the emotions on display in this movie. The tension is palpable. The romantic sub plot is beautifully realized without the need for physical affirmation that dips into vulgarity.

and...
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As it is, Drive may lack some aspects of what make exploitation movies such a blast, but its hard to not see the connection once its pointed out.  And some may call it slow and say it has pacing issues, but I beg to differ. Stuff is happening from the go. Its not always a car chase or a fight, but these characters are being developed, we're seeing who they are. Plot and story are being laid out and built up. And all the action movie tropes aside, theres a beautiful movie here.


I'd agree with all that, but it's one thing to see that a piece of art is good, and it's another to like a piece of art.

I would say the romance subplot is my favourite thing about the movie, but you say the characters are constantly being developed, but I constantly felt that Gosling's character was inconsistent to the point I couldn't trust any of his development, is he this quiet guy that just loves to drive, or is he a maniac who'll stamp a head in?

Can't he be both?

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i only saw the remake once, but i kind of liked it.

saw Horrible bosses last night, thought it was pretty good.

also I can't remember if I said, but I saw Drive and I think it's totally overrated, I mentioned this on another forum and I'm getting a lot of flack for it, I can't work out why people love it so much, I can only assume that it's some kind of mob mentality, or I just have a completely different taste in movies to the entire geek community.
It's a very well shot and acted movie, but aside from a couple of scenes it just wasn't my thing, the opening scene was amazing and then it just became a kind of run of the mill crime movie with a bit of ultra violence thrown in. Gosling's character was kind of inconsistent too, I couldn't work out if he was supposed to be some slightly simple guy that's only really good at driving, or if he's just some normal guy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. maybe I should read the book, I hear there's a lot less ambiguity.

Its certainly not for everyone. I pushed a friend to see it and she didn't like it either.
But from my review of Drive...
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I found myself immersed in this movie, firstly by Ryan Gosling's terrific performance, and secondly by the way it flowed.
Lots of movies let scenes run on too long and that extra time is filled with dumb predictable dialog; Drive never loses control of its scenes nor does it let them slip into cliche either.
It does however place more emphasis on character and emotion than action and dialog.
I love that. Its a dramatic emotional piece first. An action/thriller movie is somewhere in here, but its a nescessity of the story.  Never the other way around.
  You can feel the emotions on display in this movie. The tension is palpable. The romantic sub plot is beautifully realized without the need for physical affirmation that dips into vulgarity.

and...
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As it is, Drive may lack some aspects of what make exploitation movies such a blast, but its hard to not see the connection once its pointed out.  And some may call it slow and say it has pacing issues, but I beg to differ. Stuff is happening from the go. Its not always a car chase or a fight, but these characters are being developed, we're seeing who they are. Plot and story are being laid out and built up. And all the action movie tropes aside, theres a beautiful movie here.


I'd agree with all that, but it's one thing to see that a piece of art is good, and it's another to like a piece of art.

I would say the romance subplot is my favourite thing about the movie, but you say the characters are constantly being developed, but I constantly felt that Gosling's character was inconsistent to the point I couldn't trust any of his development, is he this quiet guy that just loves to drive, or is he a maniac who'll stamp a head in?

Can't he be both?


if he was that would make him a Norman Bates type character, the thing is I liked that quiet guy, it felt like a betrayal when he turned psycho.

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if he was that would make him a Norman Bates type character, the thing is I liked that quiet guy, it felt like a betrayal when he turned psycho.


That's the beauty of the character, The Driver lives a quiet, peaceful life up until the point where shit gets really bad, at that moment he has to turn into a creature of pure violence to protect both Irene and Benicio, something which The Driver is clearly repulsed by, there's a darkness inside him that he wants to avoid. This is foreshadowed in the part where The Driver asks Benicio if a shark has to be bad just because he is a shark, just the look on The Driver's face after Benicio's answer, certainly one of the peaks of Gosling's amazing performance.

A similar turn of character is also shown for both Bernie and Nino, who seem friendly and nice at the beginning, yet pretty much turn into killing machines by the time the movie ends (Bernie mostly). The point of interest here is how, when you see the movie a second time, you can see the consistencies of both characters' motivations, Nino's desire for approval and acceptance is shown when he specifices what a car's purpose should be, same for Bernie, who does his utmost to prevent all the violence, yet at the very end, he is incapable of getting back from the "bloodlust".

Really Avatar, shame on you for not loving Drive :evil:

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Maybe I just need to watch it again then, but that's the problem with renting, unless I buy it or rent it again, I cannot watch it again.

generally though I'm the kind of person who only watches a movie once, and if it doesn't grab my attention first time I will most likely forget about it and move on, Drive simply didn't grab my attention, and normally I would move on, but since I seem to be the only person, apart from some girl NO knows, that didn't get grabbed by it, I'm thinking maybe I should watch it again, hopefully it'll come down in price quick if it does a 300 and sells really well to a niche market and then sales plummet quickly after release.

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Also, if you aren't already familiar with the "Scorpion and the Frog" tale, look it up. It'll tell you quite a bit more about the Driver.

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Hm interesting, was that intentional? In the special features they said the scorpion on the jacket was a last minute thing, also the driver doesn't die.

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also the driver doesn't die.


But..............HOW DO YOU KNOW 8-) ?

Actually, Nicholas Winding Refn confirmed it in an interview.

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([b][/b]confirmed that he does, or confirmed that he doesn't?)

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^ (Confirmed that he doesn't die)

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Hm interesting, was that intentional? In the special features they said the scorpion on the jacket was a last minute thing, also the driver doesn't die.


I 100% believe he does. The driver who motors off at the end of the movie is a cleansed spirit, who obeyed his warrior code to the end by sacrificing his life to preserve those he was protecting. His reward is an eternal drive off into the sunset.

Or maybe he just pushed his guts back into his wound and they healed themselves and he was off to get a happy-meal...

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Or maybe he just pushed his guts back into his wound and they healed themselves and he was off to get a happy-meal...


I hardly believe getting stabbed once with a switchblade would cause your innards to fall out :lol:

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So...basically I have to avoid this thread for fear of having a movie I haven't seen yet be spoiled. Great.

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Or maybe he just pushed his guts back into his wound and they healed themselves and he was off to get a happy-meal...


I hardly believe getting stabbed once with a switchblade would cause your innards to fall out :lol:


I hardly believe that an experienced knife-killer would miss his mark, with the element of surprise, from behind.

Plus, the 'literal' reading of those last scenes is pretty.... meh.

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I hardly believe that an experienced knife-killer would miss his mark, with the element of surprise, from behind.


Are we talking about the same guy who:

SPOILERS --> Stabbed a guy in the eye with a fork for NO reason other than freaking the audience out ?

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I thought it was made pretty clear that *the Driver lived but just couldn't see Irene or Benicio again.* I don't get why people think it's ambiguous.

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i thought it was pretty clear that he drove off with a million bucks in the back of his car.

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And according to the director...

Well all my films always have open endings. All of them. Because I believe art is always best when…you talk about it and think about it, so forth. Maybe once in awhile I’ve gone too far, but I always believe in finding the right balance. And in ‘Drive’ he lives on for more and new adventures.

So I guess I'm wrong. Maybe. He does say '...open endings. All of them.', so maybe he gots his tongue in his cheek. I'm gonna go with my lyrical, poetic ending, and hope to fuck he doesn't really intend to ruin this with ... SEQUELS!!!!! SELLL-OOUUUUTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!

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i thought it was pretty clear that he drove off with a million bucks in the back of his car.


Nope, either way, he left it on the ground in the parking lot, next to the corpse.

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