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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:37 pm 
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But as per ISTD, no I didn't like the last act because (spoilers ahead)
I wanted Kim to keep hunting Chul, keep injuring him, escalating it to the point where Chul is psychologically destroyed. But instead, Chul got out from under Kim's thumb and went all vengeance berserker. Not a twist I liked.

I think I get what you're saying, but I think if that happened, it would make Kim's actions a little more justifiable than they actually were.

I'd have to watch it again, though, to properly argue the point.

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NiteOwl wrote:
But as per ISTD, no I didn't like the last act because (spoilers ahead)
I wanted Kim to keep hunting Chul, keep injuring him, escalating it to the point where Chul is psychologically destroyed. But instead, Chul got out from under Kim's thumb and went all vengeance berserker. Not a twist I liked.

I think I get what you're saying, but I think if that happened, it would make Kim's actions a little more justifiable than they actually were.

I'd have to watch it again, though, to properly argue the point.

Mhm. Its definitely worth revisiting.

I felt the points about hunter/hunted and the whole reversal shouldn't have been verbally discussed at the cannibal's house. The audience should've been allowed to draw those conclusions for themselves.
Just like how Chul's actions after said scene were almost like a punishment for Kim, from a storytelling standpoint. It TOLD us he deserved punishment because what he did was bad, instead of letting us decide whether it was bad or not.

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I think it would probably make a good double-feature with something like Punisher:Warzone or Drive Angry (though I haven't seen it yet).

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Go see this movie, if only because we need more family films of this quality.

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I Am Legend (Alternate cut) - 9.5/10

Throughout the movie it was consistently hinted that the hemocytes were actually capable of intelligent thought and emotion. But that subplot was abruptly dropped in the final act of the theatrical cut. However not only does this cut (spoilers?) fix the needlessly nhilistic original ending and leaves on a much different tone. The well developed hemocyte subplot is now fully realized and comes to a satisfying close, however this does sacrifice the plot-line of Neville's cure. But despite that, this ending is my preferred resolution to the movie. It feels much better and well thought out. And is preferably optimistic.
I don't think I'd ever bother with the TC again.

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I Am Legend (Alternate cut) - 9.5/10

Throughout the movie it was consistently hinted that the hemocytes were actually capable of intelligent thought and emotion. But that subplot was abruptly dropped in the final act of the theatrical cut. However not only does this cut (spoilers?) fix the needlessly nhilistic original ending and leaves on a much different tone. The well developed hemocyte subplot is now fully realized and comes to a satisfying close, however this does sacrifice the plot-line of Neville's cure. But despite that, this ending is my preferred resolution to the movie. It feels much better and well thought out. And is preferably optimistic.
I don't think I'd ever bother with the TC again.



That ending is also closer to the book.


If you haven't read it, kindly fuck off and do so.

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I never thought I'd see anyone give that film a 9.5/10, even with the alternate ending actually making narrative sense, but doing nothing to redeem one of the most godawful films produced in Hollywood in the last ten years.

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I never thought I'd see anyone give that film a 9.5/10, even with the alternate ending actually making narrative sense, but doing nothing to redeem one of the most godawful films produced in Hollywood in the last ten years.

What exactly didn't you like about it?
I thought it was great.
The TC gets a 7/10 from me.

That scene where (spoilers. Do I even need to at this point?) his dog gets turned and he has to kill it.
Holy shit.
That gets me everytime.

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I think it would probably make a good double-feature with something like Punisher:Warzone or Drive Angry (though I haven't seen it yet).


watch Drive Angry now. It's awesome.

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I think it would probably make a good double-feature with something like Punisher:Warzone or Drive Angry (though I haven't seen it yet).


Fuck the critics. I need to see this, now.

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I never thought I'd see anyone give that film a 9.5/10, even with the alternate ending actually making narrative sense, but doing nothing to redeem one of the most godawful films produced in Hollywood in the last ten years.


I'd actually like to hear an explanation on this one. I'm not suggesting that I Am Legend is above criticism, and I certainly understand the complaints people have with how they chose to adapt the source material, but one of the most godawful films produced in Hollywood? Really?


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Watchmen was on tv late last night. Too late for me to start watching, really, but I watched it up until Rorschach notifies Dan of the Comedian's death. I keep hearing on this site that the Director's cut is the best version, and that might be true, but just watching the fight scene with the Comedian I got the same feeling I got when I first saw the movie in the theater. That if I were a director, I would have done things differently. It's a feeling that I think would prevent me from enjoying the movie. I see way too much of Snyder's touch, and I don't like it. I don't think I ever would like it.

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AYBGerrardo wrote:
I never thought I'd see anyone give that film a 9.5/10, even with the alternate ending actually making narrative sense, but doing nothing to redeem one of the most godawful films produced in Hollywood in the last ten years.


I'd actually like to hear an explanation on this one. I'm not suggesting that I Am Legend is above criticism, and I certainly understand the complaints people have with how they chose to adapt the source material, but one of the most godawful films produced in Hollywood? Really?

Perhaps I'm biased because I prize above all interesting films, which does not always correspond to quality - certainly not if one believes in "cohesion" above all else.
Anywho, I am Legend is such an uninteresting film, as bare as its mise en scene. Thematically it is extremely limited and offers nothing at all new. The (overdone-to-the-point-of-meaninglessness) misunderstood monster vs antihero setup is painfully obvious and all targeted towards the "twist" that hilariously doesn't happen in the theatrical cut. I value contradiction (between building blocks), but this was just exterior pressures completely invading the film itself, and besides, any film that is so wholly dedicated to a twist ending is going to suffer everywhere else. It's the curse of the 90s thriller reanimated.
Depressingly, for my inner cinephile, it's hard to argue with any conviction that the film is much more than just a star and special effects vehicle.

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Watchmen was on tv late last night. Too late for me to start watching, really, but I watched it up until Rorschach notifies Dan of the Comedian's death. I keep hearing on this site that the Director's cut is the best version, and that might be true, but just watching the fight scene with the Comedian I got the same feeling I got when I first saw the movie in the theater. That if I were a director, I would have done things differently. It's a feeling that I think would prevent me from enjoying the movie. I see way too much of Snyder's touch, and I don't like it. I don't think I ever would like it.


I can't understand why people think it so wrong that Snyder put the most of his style in the action scenes.

Would anyone rather have Rorschach beat Ozymandias, kick Manhattan in the balls, save the world, and ride into the sunset with Laurie drooling over his shoulder ? This is what could've happened people ! This is precisely what Zack Snyder saved us all from !

That is precisely why I like the movie, it doesn't change anything from the story, it doesn't detract in any way, what it simply does is try to sell it to younger audiences by giving a style treatment to the action scenes, everything else ? Same shit.

Granted, some things don't work as well as they do in the comic, but overall, the movie was a very good, faithful adaptation, the director's cut was even better.

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Would anyone rather have Rorschach beat Ozymandias, kick Manhattan in the balls, save the world, and ride into the sunset with Laurie drooling over his shoulder ? This is what could've happened people ! This is precisely what Zack Snyder saved us all from !


This whole "this movie was the best we could have hoped for" argument has always struck me as being weak. Yes, this movie could have been worse, but it also could have been better. This movie being the best we could hope for doesn't say much about the movie. If you like Snyder's style, more power to you, but it took me out of the movie.

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it doesn't change anything from the story


Yes it does.

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what it simply does is try to sell it to younger audiences by giving a style treatment to the action scenes, everything else ? Same shit.


I'm not sure I want to get into another Watchmen movie debate, as I bet we've debated the movie hundreds of times by now. Still, one of the points of the story is that we are given a glimpse of how real people might handle being crime fighters. When Nite Owl II and Silk Spectre II and the Comedian are all capable of doing incredible things (punching a whole through a wall, for example) than I think it does change what Moore was trying to do.

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Granted, some things don't work as well as they do in the comic, but overall, the movie was a very good, faithful adaptation, the director's cut was even better.


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I think it would probably make a good double-feature with something like Punisher:Warzone or Drive Angry (though I haven't seen it yet).


watch Drive Angry now. It's awesome.

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Godziller: How did Ghost Rider (2?) compare to Drive Angry?

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Godziller: How did Ghost Rider (2?) compare to Drive Angry?

Well, I've gotta say, I liked Ghost Rider more because it had a protagonist with a friggin' flaming skull for a head, but I'd say they're both comparable in crazy fun. Its a given, though, that Ghost Rider isn't anywhere near as explicitly sex-filled and violent as Drive Angry nor do I think it would really benefit from a 3D viewing as Drive Angry was clearly meant to.

But yeah, I'd feel comfortable showing them back to back.

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Never in a million years would I've thought something like Drive Angry would be considered awesome by THREE people in this forum.

I give up then, I'll see it.

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Never in a million years would I've thought something like Drive Angry would be considered awesome by THREE people in this forum.

I give up then, I'll see it.

Count me among them.
It was pretty friggin awesome.

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8/10

Yup, saw it again, this time from beginning to end.

As I said before, there are practically no swashbucklers movies out there these days apart from the Pirates Of The Caribbean Series, which given the latest box office reports, seems to be coming to an end.

In any case, if anyone craves for the idea of fantastic, thrilling action scenes of ye olde ships shooting the shit out of each other, as well as men of the sea stabbing and shooting each other to death, all with a heart, then this is your movie.

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